How Rand Paul Became a Chamber Republican (article from 2014)

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http://www.nationaljournal.com/poli...and-paul-became-a-chamber-republican-20141214


So Paul sought a private audience with Tom Donohue, the longtime U.S. Chamber president, to offer a personal explanation and apology for his poor choice of words. Paul and his aides tried to set up such a meeting—to no avail. No agreeable time could be found.

It wasn't entirely clear if this was just the typical scheduling snafus of two busy men, or something more. Paul turned to one of his billionaire backers for help: Kentucky coal magnate Joe Craft, a chamber patron and member of the group's board of directors (they both happened to be in Park City, Utah, for the annual reunion of Mitt Romney financiers).

Soon after, at a private meeting of top chamber officials, Craft gave Paul's apologetic pitch and said the senator wanted to deliver his "sorry" in person. A meeting date between Paul and Donohue was set for July.


The truth was, Paul's comments—while relayed almost instantly to the chamber's top brass in Washington—hadn't landed with anywhere near the thud that his political team had feared. Though he's not a classic "Chamber of Commerce Republican" by any stretch, many in the sprawling complex across from the White House appreciate Paul's push to broaden the GOP's brand, especially among minority and young voters.

"No one at the chamber took it personal," said Scott Reed, the chamber's senior political strategist, in an interview over the summer. "He's talking about growing the party. We are grown-ups."

Paul's political team has made a point of reaching out to influencers at the chamber and across Washington to aggressively "correct the record," as they see it, about misconceptions about their boss. Throughout 2014, Paul's media strategist, Rex Elsass, hosted a series of off-the-record dinners at his Capitol Hill home to introduce the Kentucky senator to some of Washington's power brokers. Reed, who managed Bob Dole's 1996 presidential bid, attended one such meal this spring along with Paul, Paul's wife, Kelley, and others that stretched deep into the night.

In other words, Reed had already heard the senator's sales job on expanding the party delivered more artfully and intimately.

On the day Paul was to finally meet with Donohue, he played coy about its significance. "Sometimes I don't know about my meetings until the day of," he said as he hustled through the Capitol corridors. "Or five minutes before."

The apology session apparently went off without a hitch and soon enough, Paul wasn't the one calling, hat in hand. As the summer ended, the Chamber of Commerce was dialing up Paul with a request of its own.

The Piece de Resistance:

"Our internal surveys consistently showed that Senator Paul was a trusted messenger in the states that mattered most," said Rob Engstrom, the chamber's national political director. "Our federation partners also value his message advocating for economic growth."

Sean Haugh, the Libertarian candidate in North Carolina, sympathized with Paul's political calculation. "I long ago made my peace with the fact Rand Paul wants to be president," said Haugh, who registered briefly as a Republican himself in 2012 to support Paul's father, Ron, in the presidential primary. "So I see this as the stuff a Republican contender would do to try to get all of the party behind him, or at least neutralize his opposition in the party."

Added Haugh, "He's doing a lot more going along to get along than his father did."
 
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B.S. You're not going to see the Chamber of Commerce call for ending all corporate welfare and ending the export/important bank like Rand calls for.
 
B.S. You're not going to see the Chamber of Commerce call for ending all corporate welfare and ending the export/important bank like Rand calls for.

This would succinctly explain why the 2015 Rand ain't the 2010 Rand. He's been leashed by special interests. Special interests that are extremely hostile to regular Americans like you and I.
 
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This would succinctly explain why the 2015 Rand ain't the 2010 Rand. He's been leashed by special interests. Special interests that are extremely hostile to regular Americans like you and I.

Oh shut the fuck up with that shit.. Saddled by special interests my ass.

Go on and lick trumps boots but don't slander Rand like that.
 
This would succinctly explain why the 2015 Rand ain't the 2010 Rand. He's been leashed by special interests. Special interests that are extremely hostile to regular Americans like you and I.

Oh shut the fuck up with that shit.. Saddled by special interests my ass.

Go on and lick trumps boots but don't slander Rand like that.

I would agree that "Saddled by special interests" is going too far.
 
This would succinctly explain why the 2015 Rand ain't the 2010 Rand. He's been leashed by special interests. Special interests that are extremely hostile to regular Americans like you and I.

So. Rand Paul has to worm his way into the office after not even getting his calls returned, is suddenly the one candidate in the field completely webbed up in Japanese rope bondage to special interests and you hate him, while Donald Trump is the special interests you talk about and has admitted on the debate stage to brib--er, I mean giving campaign contributions to everyone he can buy influence with--from both sides of the aisle--and you think he loves you and wants you to be happy, and wouldn't kick your mother out using imminent domain to build a casino, fire all his American chambermaids and pay illegals less than minimum wage, and refuse to pay taxes on the money it makes.

Interesting double standard you have there. Fascinating that you can flip flop right in the middle of a sentence--going straight from 'corruption is bad' to 'corruption is good'--without hurting yourself.

I'm sorry we haven't found a cure for that disease yet. But hang on. We do keep working on it.

Meanwhile, whether you intend to keep pushing anything that praises Trump (in the face of people who have told you a million times we don't give a shit about pro-Trump propaganda) or not, do you suppose you could have the civility and decency to stop presenting lying hit pieces about the man this forum is here to support as if it were some kind of gospel? You know, just out of an attempt at civility? Of course, no one here expects civility out of a Trump buttboi any more than we expect it from a WWE star. But you could at least try to surprise us. Supporting an asshole does not absolutely require becoming an asshole. I'm sure it helps, but it isn't absolutely necessary.
 
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So. Rand Paul has to worm his way into the office after not even getting his calls returned, is suddenly the one candidate in the field completely webbed up in Japanese rope bondage to special interests and you hate him, while Donald Trump is the special interests you talk about and has admitted on the debate stage to brib--er, I mean giving campaign contributions to everyone he can buy influence with--from both sides of the aisle--and you think he loves you and wants you to be happy, and wouldn't kick your mother out using imminent domain to build a casino, fire all his American chambermaids and pay illegals less than minimum wage, and refuse to pay taxes on the money it makes.

Interesting double standard you have there. Fascinating that you can flip flop right in the middle of a sentence--going straight from 'corruption is bad' to 'corruption is good'--without hurting yourself.

I'm sorry we haven't found a cure for that disease yet. But hang on. We do keep working on it.

Meanwhile, whether you intend to keep pushing anything that praises Trump (in the face of people who have told you a million times we don't give a shit about pro-Trump propaganda) or not, do you suppose you could have the civility and decency to stop presenting lying hit pieces about the man this forum is here to support as if it were some kind of gospel? You know, just out of an attempt at civility? Of course, no one here expects civility out of a Trump buttboi any more than we expect it from a WWE star. But you could at least try to surprise us. Supporting an asshole does not absolutely require becoming an asshole. I'm sure it helps, but it isn't absolutely necessary.

Here's the problem with that argument. We all know Mr. Trump is a noted bandit and scoundrel. He's said it himself. Rand, however is held to a much higher standard. None of us sent him to the Senate to be a lackey of the Chamber of Commerce who his father despised. It's hard to reconcile this fact.
 
What I want to know is, why isn't LibertyEagle coming after AuH20...insulting him, neg-repping every post the way she did when I voiced my concerns a couple of years ago? The things I said pale in comparison, and I certainly didn't come out on this website in support of another candidate. If it had come to that, I would have just taken my leave. I voiced those opinions with the hope of steering Rand back to the positions that his father took...not to do what AuH20 is doing.
 
This would succinctly explain why the 2015 Rand ain't the 2010 Rand. He's been leashed by special interests. Special interests that are extremely hostile to regular Americans like you and I.

So now you're one of those "Rand sold out" people? Before you weren't.
 
What I want to know is, why isn't LibertyEagle coming after AuH20...insulting him, neg-repping every post the way she did when I voiced my concerns a couple of years ago? The things I said pale in comparison, and I certainly didn't come out on this website in support of another candidate. If it had come to that, I would have just taken my leave. I voiced those opinions with the hope of steering Rand back to the positions that his father took...not to do what AuH20 is doing.

I'm not steering anyone to any candidate. I've already outlined why I'm moving towards Trump because of (a) poll numbers and (b) the potential havoc that he can unleash within the party. I don't have any illusions about Trump creating some new libertarian age of freedom. I'm contesting this ridiculous notion that Trump is this horrible person and Rand is as pure as mother's milk.
 
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Here's the problem with that argument. We all know Mr. Trump is a noted bandit and scoundrel. He's said it himself. Rand, however is held to a much higher standard. None of us sent him to the Senate to be a lackey of the Chamber of Commerce who his father despised. It's hard to reconcile this fact.

The argument was that this is a lying hit piece and you are presenting it as gospel. Now. Tell us the problem with that argument again?

Just like in the other thread where you claimed Rand Paul is bought and paid for because Silicon Valley contributed to him. Is there a more capitalist, more free market, less protected, more inundated with small startup companies industry than that? Is there an industry less interested in buying themselves protection from competition?

Somebody is pulling talking points straight out of his ass and trying to use them to insult everyone who is here to use this forum for the purpose it was created to serve. And it isn't me. Is it?
 
The argument was that this is a lying hit piece and you are presenting it as gospel. Now. Tell us the problem with that argument again?

Just like in the other thread where you claimed Rand Paul is bought and paid for because Silicon Valley contributed to him. Is there a more capitalist, more free market, less protected, more inundated with small startup companies industry than that? Is there an industry less interested in buying themselves protection from competition?

Somebody is pulling talking points straight out of his ass and trying to use them to insult everyone who is here to use this forum for the purpose it was created to serve. And it isn't me. Is it?

Lying hit piece? Why did Rand go down to states to drive away libertarian/tea party challengers from mainstream candidates? You think this happened by accident?

In fact the CoC's Senior Political Strategerist Scott Reed openly bragged about Paul doing their bidding:

The Tea Party…we were able to beat them, and that’s why they quieted down…[Rand Paul] was a real secret weapon for us in this last election…where there were libertarians on the move, he was able to go in there and nullify that.

https://vid.me/TvcZ

So now what? Come off your high horse and admit the truth. That's all I ask. You can still promote Rand, but at least recognize how this dirty business works.
 
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I'm not steering anyone to any candidate. I've already outlined why I'm moving towards Trump because of (a) poll numbers and (b) the potential havoc that he can unleash within the party. I don't have any illusions about Trump creating some new libertarian age of freedom. I'm contesting this ridiculous notion that Trump is this horrible person and Rand is as pure as mother's milk.
I didn't say you were. Go back and read what I said. You saw the word "steering" and jumped to conclusions.
 
I didn't say you were. Go back and read what I said. You saw the word "steering" and jumped to conclusions.

Oops. Sorry I misread. Well, you were proved right. They got to Rand and/or he was given poor advice.
 
In fact the CoC's Senior Political Strategerist Scott Reed openly bragged about Paul doing their bidding:



https://vid.me/TvcZ

So now what? Come off your high horse and admit the truth. That's all I ask. You can still promote Rand, but at least recognize how this dirty business works.

Seriously? I'm supposed to believe this guy because he's presented to me by someone who not only defends someone guilty of everything he pretends to stand against because you like the kind of clown he is, but who thinks Strategerist is a word?
 
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This forum is looking less and less appealing every day...
 
This forum is looking less and less appealing every day...

Oh, hell, AuH2O has been coming here and quoting outrageous bullshit hit pieces against our guys and playing up the Fox Establishment Darling of the Month for eight years now. Maybe he has been going after it a little hard and heavy since that ass Trump showed up. Certainly his double standard has never been more obvious. But this is just business as usual.
 
P.s.

Lets say people come here to discuss some activist effort and we got here people who openly bash Rand and pledge their support to other candidates. Its like playing basketball and having opponents scouts in your room listening to your every strategy... (Not aimed at AuH20)

Fucking annoying and depressing as hell.
 
Lying hit piece? Why did Rand go down to states to drive away libertarian/tea party challengers from mainstream candidates? You think this happened by accident?

In fact the CoC's Senior Political Strategerist Scott Reed openly bragged about Paul doing their bidding:



https://vid.me/TvcZ

So now what? Come off your high horse and admit the truth. That's all I ask. You can still promote Rand, but at least recognize how this dirty business works.

This is silly, the second he endorsed Romney (or even the time in preparing for that endorsement) he already knew that he had to "play the game" and make his endorsements and help Republicans win. Its his job to help Republicans win and if he neutralized any difference between giving the race to the Democrats, then he's built up a credibility for himself. Now they're asking Trump if he's running third party, which was a question they used to bombard Ron with.

So your premise that Rand only helps Republicans win is only because he was told to do so by Chamber of Commerce is pretty ridiculous. You'd only be coming to that conclusion if you were trying to make an argument for Trump and against Rand, which is what you are right now.

If you're just going to become every candidates' fluffer just because they've got good polling, I'll give you CJ Pearson's number, you guys can team up. Get ready though, because you're going to be fluffing a lot of candidates this election season.
 
This would succinctly explain why the 2015 Rand ain't the 2010 Rand. He's been leashed by special interests. Special interests that are extremely hostile to regular Americans like you and I.

I agree!! His flip flop on immigration has really hurt him. The cheap labor lobby is slowly destroying liberty. We are importing millions of people that love big government.
 
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