How many of you understand the USA just elected a (potentially) brutal dictator?

[AZJoe]

@AZJoe, just what were you talking about when you said that stuff was actually very good? I'm not seeing whatever it was you were seeing..

Well, try reading:

• Recognizing the individual right to self-defense with firearms
• Ending federal gun and magazine bans, such as “assault weapons”, and “high capacity” magazines
• Insuring any Supreme Court nominees recognize the individual right to keep and bear arms
• Insuring full faith and credit recognition of state concealed carry permits.
• Recognizing the rights of indiviual military personnel to keep and bear personal weapons on military bases and recruitment centers

 

[Superfluous Man]

Well, try reading:

• Recognizing the individual right to self-defense with firearms
• Ending federal gun and magazine bans, such as “assault weapons”, and “high capacity” magazines
• Insuring any Supreme Court nominees recognize the individual right to keep and bear arms
• Insuring full faith and credit recognition of state concealed carry permits.
• Recognizing the rights of indiviual military personnel to keep and bear personal weapons on military bases and recruitment centers

Obviously he doesn't recognize the individual right with self-defense with firearms, or else he wouldn't think you needed a permit for it.

The other points you mentioned. Seriously? Those things are your idea of "actually very good"?

And again, the most incriminating parts are all the things he doesn't address.

 

[Superfluous Man]

Here is the second amendment platform: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/constitution-and-second-amendment
And the rest of the platform: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/constitution-and-second-amendment

Superfluous neglected to quote from the parts of the platform he "refers" to. Maybe because it isn't in there.

Right. So it isn't there.

Now why not? If he's so great, why does he need to hide his positions from us?

If that's supposed to be the webpage where he provides his position on the Second Amendment, why does he leave off so much of what one can find actually to be his position by digging around elsewhere?

And perhaps a better question, why are you so trusting of his campaign propaganda in the face of so much evidence that shows that when he claims to support the right to keep and bear arms, he clearly either has no idea what that means or is lying?

 

[Superfluous Man]

Superfluous also makes up a false issue of "national concealed carry permit". That is not part of the platform. The platform refers to full faith and credit reciprocity recognition of state concealed carry permits just like driver's licenses. There is nothing about a "national concealed carry permit.

I just did a search of both of your links for the word "faith," and it never once appears in either. So this is a lie.

Nor can I see anything suggesting that you're right about this in the words he uses.

Reciprocity of state licenses would go against his whole agenda here. He's obviously not doing it because he supports the 2nd Amendment. You have to ask yourself what the catch is. What is it he's really after? Once you do that it becomes obvious what he's up to.

Incidentally, just like with Real ID, these permits could be run on the state level and still be connected to a federal database.

 

[UWDude]

The other points you mentioned. Seriously? Those things are your idea of "actually very good"?

Yes. I think most people here can agree he is strongly second amendment.
Good enough for me. Better than good enough.

 

[Superfluous Man]

Yes in Trump's speaking comments he has been bad about no fly and stop and frisk. That is an issue with interpretation of due process however, not an interpretation of the Second Amendment.

Here we have the real answer to my question.

The reason you think his position seems "actually very good" is that you yourself don't support the right to keep and bear arms.

 

[Indy Vidual]

Remember this?
Trump Would Resume Sales of Militarized Gear to Police
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ld-Resume-Sales-of-Militarized-Gear-to-Police

 

[Superfluous Man]

Yes. I think most people here can agree he is strongly second amendment.
Good enough for me. Better than good enough.

The problem is that good enough for you is really terrible.

 

[UWDude]

Right. So it isn't there.

Now why not? If he's so great, why does he need to hide his positions from us?

If that's supposed to be the webpage where he provides his position on the Second Amendment, why does he leave off so much of what one can find actually to be his position by digging around elsewhere?

And perhaps a better question, why are you so trusting of his campaign propaganda in the face of so much evidence that shows that when he claims to support the right to keep and bear arms, he clearly either has no idea what that means or is lying?

why do you ask so many rhetorical questions?
Is there some reason you can't just make statements?
Has it ever occurred to you asking rhetorical question after rhetorical question is really dishonest and tiring?
Do you even have any positions or objections, or are you just trying to waste everyone's time?

 

[Superfluous Man]

There are valid criticism to focus on with Trump, but superfluously making things up does not serve them. Trump's platform is not "ardently anti-Second Amendment" in the least. It beats all the democrats and all but a select handful of republicrats on capital hill.

Using your own sources, we can safely say that very few Republicans are as terrible as Trump on the 2nd Amendment. He would fit right in with the average NRA-endorsed Democrat.

 

[UWDude]

The problem is that good enough for you is really terrible.

No, it isn't.

The reason you think his position seems "actually very good" is that you yourself don't support the right to keep and bear arms.

What utter horseshit.

Very few Republicans are as terrible as Trump on the 2nd Amendment.

lie.

All I see is the anti-gun screed of somebody who is ardently anti-2nd Amendment, dressed up in NRA fluff.

lolertrolling now

 

[AZJoe]

Right. So it isn't there. Now why not?

Why are superflous' imaginations and misrepresentations not in there? Answer: Because they are superflous' imaginations and misrepresentations.

 

[Superfluous Man]

Why are superflous' imaginations and misrepresentations not in there? Answer: Because they are superflous' imaginations and misrepresentations.

If it's just my imagination, then that means that you're saying that Trump does state in the links you provided that he opposes closing the gun show loophole.

I was unable to find that.

If you're really telling the truth, and he actually says that, then please provide the quote.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

No. But we get the side benefit of a lot of terrified and spooked liberals that are now threatening to secede in some of the largest big government states and demanding that Trump not overstep his duties as President with all of his spending plans and initiatives.

The ideas of liberty are suddenly spreading like wildfire.

The problem is these people will still vote big government in local elections and will go right back to big government national politics whenever a Democrat is president again.

 

[UWDude]

If it's just my imagination, then that means that you're saying that Trump does state in the links you provided that he opposes closing the gun show loophole.

I was unable to find that.

If you're really telling the truth, and he actually says that, then please provide the quote.

Prove it.

 

[Indy Vidual]

Our strong leader is surrounded by some interesting friends:
Indiana Gov. Mike Pence signed a law this year that mandated funerals for fetuses
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-this-year-that-mandated-funerals-for-fetuses

 

[Suzanimal]

How many of you understand the USA just elected a (potentially) brutal dictator?

That could be said about most of the presidential candidates.

I was thrilled to see Hillary lose, but let's get real about what we have:

• Trump endorses torture "much worse" than waterboarding.
• He is rarely (if ever) heard using the words "individual freedom".
• Donald is a rich, spoiled child who never had to grow up and could easily turn into a very brutal dictator.
• This list could be much longer, if I had more time.

What is happening to this forum, do you people actually believe he will save us from tyranny?

Nope.

 

[parocks]

Yes. I think most people here can agree he is strongly second amendment.
Good enough for me. Better than good enough.

Looks good to me on guns. He'll make changes, right? Presumably. And those changes will be moves to our direction, yes?

Imagine how popular Donald Trump will be if it turns out he's not a dictator, like the Democrats are promising he will be. The Democrats will lose credibility and Trump will pick up support.

It'll be pretty easy to avoid being a dictator. There have to be some people who didn't vote for Trump because the media who was bribed by the Democrats was saying over and over that Trump was all types of nasty thing from dictator to racist. All Trump has to do is just not be a dictator and not be a racist. Not too hard, and a whole bunch more people will be voting for him in 4 years.

What did the GOP say in 2008? Obamacare bad. And Obama won nonetheless, but Obamacare didn't turn out to be a wild fantasy, but something that the GOP was right to warn about, something that is not very popular.

The Democrats have warned that Trump will be a racist dictator. If he's not, the Democrats will appear delusional and untrustworthy.

1956 Eisenhower - 457
1972 Nixon - 520
1984 Reagan - 525
2004 Bush - 286


1964 Johnson - 486
1996 Clinton - 379
2012 Obama - 332

 

[CPUd]

That would be a great campaign slogan if he runs for another term.
"Trump 2020, not a dictator"

 

[AZJoe]