How do we handle genocide?

[socialize_me]

I just got done watching Hotel Rwanda, a fantastic movie, and I was wondering how exactly genocides should be handled by the United States. By saying we can't or shouldn't do anything is rather, well, irrational. I suppose if the time were to ever come where your family had a machete to their throat you would be saying it's not right for some foreign country to end the madness.

So how should or would Ron Paul deal with genocide? I mean by not intervening claiming its not our business or suggesting state sovereignty is rather inhumane considering those two apparently trump human life with that argument.

 

[AbolishTheGovt]

I just withdrew $300 from your bank account to help me combat a serial killer that's been prowling around my state. Hope you don't mind. It was the only rational course of action for me to take.

 

[socialize_me]

I just withdrew $300 from your bank account to help me combat a serial killer that's been prowling around my state. Hope you don't mind. It was the only rational course of action for me to take.

LOL your argument doesn't make any sense because we do that already! Serial killers get caught and prosecuted and we use taxpayer dollars to do it! You're not going to win many, if any, hearts with that logic my friend. You're not a realist--you're a theorist. I'm a realist. You put money over human life and are appalled of being taxed rather than saving human life. For someone so against the "Establishment", you sure seem to buy into the Establishment's bullshit. I mean look at you! You're afraid they'll take MONEY from you. What the hell? What's money? Something THEY declare to be a means to an end. You're so worried they'll take fucking paper from you that you're willing to let others die instead. You're nothing more than a fraud. You say "Fuck the Establishment" and "Abolish the Government" yet you use their money and are appalled that they should take it from you. Yeah, you're part of the game my friend. If you were truly a revolutionary, you'd reject all instruments of the Establishment--but you don't. You place artificial items like money created by the Establishment above human life. Very nice indeed. So you take the approach of defending principles over life, which is funny because the principles you're defending is that you don't want Establishment money taken from you by the Establishment. You're fighting the wrong battles.

So you would prefer no government at all aka anarchy? Again, you anarchists never cease to amaze me. Look at Somalia. Two weeks ago a 14 year old girl was stoned to death because she was raped and due to Sharia, it's considered adultery. 1,000 people, ONE THOUSAND, watched this happen in a "free" society. War lords run rampant in anarchy states. Somalia is a shithole.

So you do have a problem with police stopping serial killers? Or is it up to individuals to take them out? So you would then prefer to have a United States of the 1690's when we had the Salem Witch Trials where innocent people were killed without due process and just protection under the law?

Sometimes I just don't get you people.

 

[AbolishTheGovt]

There are a lot of tragedies going on in the world.

What gives one person or group of people the right to forcibly take money from another person or group of people and use it to "fix" these foreign problems?

 

[LibertyEagle]

BTW I dislike the UN, but as Ron Paul said about UNICEF, some UN is okay :/

No, "some UN" is not ok. Just like some Communism is not ok. The UN was started to become a world governing body by a bunch of traitors and staying involved with it is most certainly not something good for our national sovereignty or individual liberty.

 

[Josh_LA]

we shouldn't deal with genocide, or any type of murder, it's none of our business.

 

[LibertyEagle]

LOL your argument doesn't make any sense because we do that already! Serial killers get caught and prosecuted! So you would prefer no government at all aka anarchy? Again, you anarchists never cease to amaze me. Look at Somalia. Two weeks ago a 14 year old girl was stoned to death because she was raped and due to Sharia, it's considered adultery. 1,000 people, ONE THOUSAND, watched this happen in a "free" society. War lords run rampant in anarchy states. Somalia is a shithole.

So you do have a problem with police stopping serial killers? Or is it up to individuals to take them out? So you would then prefer to have a United States of the 1690's when we had the Salem Witch Trials where innocent people were killed without due process and just protection under the law?

Sometimes I just don't get you people.

I'm most certainly not an anarchist, but the thing you also need to remember is that the biggest mass murderers in history have always been governments.

We can't fix the world's problems. We simply cannot. We do not have the money, even if we had the will. Our best bet is to stay neutral and set a good example for other countries to follow. If we let ourselves go under, what good is that going to do? We used to be the beacon for liberty. So sad.

And remember, our intervening in other countries' affairs is what helped to get us into a lot of the mess we are now in. You however shouldn't be stopped from sending your own money or even your own self over there to help.

 

[Jeremy]

Volunteer funded military not owned by a government? Americans were helping in WWI before the US got involved.

 

[Jeremy]

we shouldn't deal with genocide, or any type of murder, it's none of our business.

you should never repeat that

 

[socialize_me]

There are a lot of tragedies going on in the world.

What gives one person or group of people the right to forcibly take money from another person or group of people and use it to "fix" these foreign problems?

Again, you're so paranoid that Government will "forcefully" take money from you yet you never look at what the fuck the money in your pocket is! It's PAPER! The Government said it's money! So you rage against the machine, your name implies nothing less than abolition of the machine, yet you accept the machine's money! So you're all talk when it comes to this, but you never want to inconvenience yourself. You want government abolished, but if that meant you had no money, well then it might not be such a good idea. If it is a good idea, why the hell do you bother worrying about taxation? Don't use their money!

You people SERIOUSLY have a twisted view on what the Constitution says and its precedent set by the Founders. They fought a Revolutionary War because they had zero say in the policies instituted. Had the colonies a say in such policies, history would have been extremely different! Yet the Founders created the Constitution which gave birth to the federal government. In the Constitution, it clearly states Congress has the power to levy taxes. In the Articles of Confederation you could even levy taxes! Taxation has existed for thousands of years! You must accept taxes if you are to accept some form of government. If you feel it's stealing, then move the fuck out of the country and into Somalia. If you favor anarchy, go live in an anarchist state for a change. Walk the damn walk instead of snobbishly sitting behind a computer screen too tuned in to inconvenience yourself.

If you favor anarchy, then go to Somalia. Tell me how long you live or if you enjoyed it. If you favor no anarchy, then you need some government. Even Thomas Paine understood this and all the Founders did as well. You fund government through taxation which you claim is theft. So you're in intellectual limbo here, bud, and it seems to me you would live in a utopia where human beings magically come together and make peace with one another. We're not Native Americans, we don't understand nature, we're too involved and wrapped up in trying to predict the future and worrying about what the fuck to wear in the morning or how to impress your boss in a job interview that we create a system unsustainable and unattainable without a government to prevent fraud and crime in a society.

 

[socialize_me]

I'm most certainly not an anarchist, but the thing you also need to remember is that the biggest mass murderers in history have always been governments.

We can't fix the world's problems. We simply cannot. We do not have the money, even if we had the will. Our best bet is to stay neutral and set a good example for other countries to follow. If we let ourselves go under, what good is that going to do? We used to be the beacon for liberty. So sad.

And remember, our intervening in other countries' affairs is what helped to get us into a lot of the mess we are now in. You however shouldn't be stopped from sending your own money or even your own self over there to help.

Set a good example? How old are you? Apparently you're oblivious to the fact there are bad people out there who don't give a shit about "examples". They have no role models, they only seek to have power and control.

 

[tropicangela]

And remember, our intervening in other countries' affairs is what helped to get us into a lot of the mess we are now in. You however shouldn't be stopped from sending your own money or even your own self over there to help.

My thoughts too.

 

[Jeremy]

sm, did you ignore my post? it's very simple. you don't have to do nothing. you can volunteer or raise money... it's your choice. but let's not force people or use violence to achieve something.

americans were involved in WWI before the US government was involved.

btw, i saw the movie for the first time about a week ago too =)

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

How do we handle Genocide?

or

How do we handle the Iraq occupation?

 

[AbolishTheGovt]

Again, you're so paranoid that Government will "forcefully" take money from you yet you never look at what the fuck the money in your pocket is! It's PAPER! The Government said it's money! So you rage against the machine, your name implies nothing less than abolition of the machine, yet you accept the machine's money! So you're all talk when it comes to this, but you never want to inconvenience yourself. You want government abolished, but if that meant you had no money, well then it might not be such a good idea. If it is a good idea, why the hell do you bother worrying about taxation? Don't use their money!

You people SERIOUSLY have a twisted view on what the Constitution says and its precedent set by the Founders. They fought a Revolutionary War because they had zero say in the policies instituted. Had the colonies a say in such policies, history would have been extremely different! Yet the Founders created the Constitution which gave birth to the federal government. In the Constitution, it clearly states Congress has the power to levy taxes. In the Articles of Confederation you could even levy taxes! Taxation has existed for thousands of years! You must accept taxes if you are to accept some form of government. If you feel it's stealing, then move the fuck out of the country and into Somalia. If you favor anarchy, go live in an anarchist state for a change. Walk the damn walk instead of snobbishly sitting behind a computer screen too tuned in to inconvenience yourself.

If you favor anarchy, then go to Somalia. Tell me how long you live or if you enjoyed it. If you favor no anarchy, then you need some government. Even Thomas Paine understood this and all the Founders did as well. You fund government through taxation which you claim is theft. So you're in intellectual limbo here, bud, and it seems to me you would live in a utopia where human beings magically come together and make peace with one another. We're not Native Americans, we don't understand nature, we're too involved and wrapped up in trying to predict the future and worrying about what the fuck to wear in the morning or how to impress your boss in a job interview that we create a system unsustainable and unattainable without a government to prevent fraud and crime in a society.

What happens if you don't pay your taxes?

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Intervene by supporting the United Nations, If the UN doesn't want to go in, which I doubt.... Then it is Americans moral duty to stop it. I'm Sure many taxpayers would pay to end genocide. But I wouldn't force the taxpayers to pay it. Would be optional.



BTW I dislike the UN, but as Ron Paul said about UNICEF, some UN is okay :/

...I thought we were freedom lovers....that notion goes against our Constitution..we don't have any business in the affairs of foreign nations and we aren't subject to an international group.

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Should we have ended the holocaust or just capture Berlin?

oh boy, you need a history lesson...

 

[socialize_me]

What happens if you don't pay your taxes?

If you don't handle money, then you don't pay taxes. C'mon, be a revolutionary. Let's abolish the government! Let's have your money actually be worth officially nothing. Let's see how great it'd be

 

[AbolishTheGovt]

If you don't handle money, then you don't pay taxes. C'mon, be a revolutionary. Let's abolish the government! Let's have your money actually be worth officially nothing. Let's see how great it'd be

You didn't answer the question.

 

[cien750hp]

We go to war if we feel it is necessary. but only with a declaration of war. If people are being killed and want our help, and the american people feel that going to war (like stopping the nazis) is the best action to take, then we should go. But we should be cautious when declaring war, and use it as a last resort and be sure it is what we want to do.