How do we handle genocide?

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

That's exactly the sort of thing that Blackwater is for (and could probably do a damned awesome job at). This is the same issue as with charity, ignoring how much better the private sector gets the job done is to ignore reality.

However, if it were uncovered that Blackwater killed a village-full of women and children in Darfur, then the U.S. would be obligated to intervene, at least on behalf of any American members involved.

 

[AbolishTheGovt]

That's exactly the sort of thing that Blackwater is for (and could probably do a damned awesome job at). This is the same issue as with charity, ignoring how much better the private sector gets the job done is to ignore reality.

However, if it were uncovered that Blackwater killed a village-full of women and children in Darfur, then the U.S. would be obligated to intervene, at least on behalf of any American members involved.

Or, if it were uncovered that Blackwater killed a village-full of women and children in Darfur, those affected by the massacre could sue the crap out of Blackwater, and Blackwater would lose all its business, creating a market opportunity for other, more responsible and efficient firms, to make a profit.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

We go to war if we feel it is necessary. but only with a declaration of war. If people are being killed and want our help, and the american people feel that going to war (like stopping the nazis) is the best action to take, then we should go. But we should be cautious when declaring war, and use it as a last resort and be sure it is what we want to do.

we don't just go to war if we "feel" like it. There is only one purpose for war and that's if we are attacked and need to defend ourselves.

Where are some of you people coming from?! We don't just do things if we feel like they are necessary....we follow the Constitution. Good lord...we are in trouble.

 

[jkm1864]

Well if it isn't in the US I would either send a missile to kill the leader or just ignore it. On another note providing sanctions could also be a solution but in a shit hole like somalia it would more than likely make the problem worse. I have the opinion if We just leave africa alone and stop manipulating it that it would eventually fix its own problems.

 

[LibertyEagle]

we don't just go to war if we "feel" like it.

I think you maybe meant, we "shouldn't".

There is only one purpose for war and that's if we are attacked and need to defend ourselves.

Where are some of you people coming from?! We don't just do things if we feel like they are necessary....we follow the Constitution. Good lord...we are in trouble.

AMEN!

 

[LibertyEagle]

Set a good example?

Perhaps you should go listen to some of Ron's speeches. He mentions exactly that, or something close to it.

How old are you?

Probably a lot older than you, Sonny.

Apparently you're oblivious to the fact there are bad people out there who don't give a shit about "examples". They have no role models, they only seek to have power and control.

lol

Yes, we have quite a few of those in high places in our own government and beyond. The same people who use "bad people out there" as a need to increase the size and scope of government to keep us safe and free (what a laugh) and attacking foreign countries who have done us no harm; all while destroying the very thing here at home, that we are supposedly fighting for.

Go read George Washington's farewell address. You're somehow thinking that it is our job to police the world? It's not, you know. And far from helping those people being subjected to "bad people", it ends up creating even more of them and enables others like them.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Personally, I ALWAYS choose to not participate in genocide. But, that's just me. < shrug >

 

[pacelli]

I was wondering how long it would take socialize_me to post another apparently innocent question, not answer it himself, and then proceed to curse at and belittle people who attempt to respond to it. All non-emotional posts are ignored. This pattern has been followed in the past, is being followed now, and is likely to be followed in the future.

 

[RonPaulMania]

Socializeme,

I agree with a lot of your beliefs, but I think you were talking about setting an example, and how can you do that in a profanity laced tirade? That's contradictory in action.

Now to answer your question the answer is voluntary enlistment to the U.N or to a guerilla group in the country you want to fight in. You cannot and should not expect others to fight a war you want to fight without putting yourself on the line, or that of your children.

It's not fair to say, "Let's start wars I believe in and shut out wars you believe in" and force others to pay. Now I personally believe in the cause so much I'm willing to donate to those groups, but I cannot wish the good people of this country to fight any war without them voluntarily doing so under compulsion or court marshall.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

I think you maybe meant, we "shouldn't".



AMEN!

Well....I like to think I'm living in a parallel universe where my government hasn't overstepped its boundaries But, yes. We shouldn't.....I'd like to say we don't

 

[constituent]

this is one of the dumbest threads ever.

congratulations socialize_me, you're a total dolt.

 

[Epic]

getting back on topic - government does not have the right to interfere internationally. period. if we are attacked, then it's different.

if people want to help, they are free to donate money to any organization that helps overseas.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Oh geez, this is depressing. Our own folks don't even get it.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

i'm most certainly not an anarchist, but the thing you also need to remember is that the biggest mass murderers in history have always been governments.

We can't fix the world's problems. We simply cannot. We do not have the money, even if we had the will. Our best bet is to stay neutral and set a good example for other countries to follow. If we let ourselves go under, what good is that going to do? We used to be the beacon for liberty. So sad.

And remember, our intervening in other countries' affairs is what helped to get us into a lot of the mess we are now in. You however shouldn't be stopped from sending your own money or even your own self over there to help.

+1776

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Oh geez, this is depressing. Our own folks don't even get it.

i know

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Someone should photoshop a picture of you behind a computer saying "Go help!" with a big screen TV and a nice bag of chips in the background, and you can use the right half of that pic.

You can go over there or donate your money. Don't commit someone else's resources...or LIFE to fight for your cause.

 

[LibertyEagle]

It's not my cause, its humanity's cause, I know were not Canada, but lets just say there poll results are similar, 75% of Canadians support intervention in Darfur, the other 25% don't. How about those 75% pay extra taxes for supporting it, and the other 25% don't? Shouldn't the government LISTEN to its people? I would much have us fight in Darfur than in Iraq.

Well, that would mean our military is nothing more than mercenaries for hire. Actually, I think they have become that already, unfortunately, but I sure don't think we want to sanctify it.

Those 75% are free to send their own money to Darfur or go over there themselves. Our government should not. Otherwise, we as a country are intervening in a sovereign nation's affairs. Hamadeh, how would you like it if some other country invaded our own to supposedly right some wrong they believed was going on in our own country? Well, what gives our government the right to do that to someone else?

 

[tropicangela]

How about the number of people that mainstream medicine kills in this country? That is the cause of organizations in this country that you are also welcome to donate to and take action on.

There are endless problems and people dying HERE and elsewhere. Awake much?

 

[tremendoustie]

The u.s. military has a specific function -- to defend this country from attack. Its job is not to do whatever the people want it to, and not to go around invading countries because they might possibly have the capability to attack us someday.

If you want to help in darfur, go there, donate money, help people in need, and if you really think it would be the most effective thing to do, get some friends together, buy guns, and go defend people.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Yeah right, humanity has really shown it's concern over the millenia.