How could Ron possibly lose the most Libertarian state in the country?

[Carole]

In Vermont, nascent secession movement gains traction
http://www.boston.com/news/local/ve...nt_nascent_secession_movement_gains_traction/

Could the Blue States Secede
http://www.slate.com/id/2109317/

People Who Want To Secede From United States Hold Convention
http://www.newschannel9.com/articles/convention_963425___article.html/people_agree.html

Indian Tribes Secede from the United States
http://blog.craigdthomas.com/2007/12/indian-tribes-secede-from-the-united-states.php

States want to secede from the United States
Just a Post I saw:

"I read a book last year about Conservatives seceeding from the Union and taking residence in Wyoming and Montana. I guess this would be "My Country ... Love it or Take a piece of it with you".
San Fernando Valley Looks To a Life After Los Angeles
HTTP://QUERY.NYTIMES.COM/GST/FULLPAGE.HTML?RES=9803E0DC133FF933A15757C0A9649C8B63

The Lakota Indians have seceded from the United States and formed their own country. Quote
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message477509/pg4

American Secession Project
http://www.secessionist.us/south_carolina.htm


Secession and Liberty
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/dilorenzo2.html


Take Your Nation And Shove It: The Growing Secessionist Movement
http://tampabay.indymedia.org/article/take-your-nation-shove-it-growing-secessionist-movement

Secession, autonomy, bioregional politics the antidote to empire?
http://www.oilempire.us/secession.html
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[Redcard]

I have hoped all along that the FSP will come through and give Ron the big win in NH he needs. The polls don't seem to reflect that, but who knows how accurate they are. I think I'm going to be sick with anticipation before we get some word of what the results might look like tonight...

Before Iowa:

"The polls are never right, they're just run by the MSM.. don't trust them, the voters will show you how wrong the polls are"

After Iowa:

"The polls were right because they must've influenced the voters"

Before NH:

"The polls are never right, they're just run by the MSM.. don't trust them, the voters will show you how wrong the polls are"

After New Hampshire:


"The polls were right because they must've influenced the voters"


Before Super Tuesday:...

 

[Sam_Adams]

Maybe because NH isn't such the libertarian state anymore?

 

[Maltheus]

So much for the free state project. I was considering moving there if Paul didn't get elected. But now that they've shown what hypocrites they are, I don't have to freeze my ass off after all. So that leaves whichever state shows the strongest Ron Paul support, or a different country. It's too bad they couldn't leave us an island or something to move to. Then we could let the hoopleheads wallow in their statist cesspools undisturbed, while we libertarian-types live in peace. I mean seriously, what does it say that there are so few libertarian leaning places to live? Where's that valley from Atlas Shrugged when you need it?

 

[austin356]

why?

B/c Ron was neither a big money advertiser in the state nor a "move to the state campaign for months" type of candidate either.


He spent only $250,000 on ads during December. Thats basically nothing.

He spent very little time in NH relative to what he would be expected to. Pat B told him to move there, drop Iowa, and campaign day and night. He did not.


We suffer the consequences from this strategy (which are numerous). But maybe some aspects of it will pay off in the long marathon.

 

[austin356]

Maybe because NH isn't such the libertarian state anymore?

Maybe b/c the official campaign did not do an effective job and Ron Paul did not spend enough time........ It matters not if you are a libertarian state if your libertarian residents dont know you are libertarian what is the point?

 

[drain]

one can only hope that if the results are not good it is because the campaign new this in advance and chose rightly to not try and sway pseudo libertarians. If they chose not to spend money you would think they know something.

 

[CapitalistRadical]

Too much focus on one state, one election, one man. Some of you need to study history and learn how social movements actually gain power. What we have here, with Ron Paul, is not the end. It is the beginning. Do you have the stomach for 10 more years, 20 more years? Two years ago, a Ron Paul bulletin board would have received 15 messages a month. 2008 libertarianism will be much stronger than 2006 libertarianism. That makes me very happy!

 

[Paulitician]

It depends on how well you get your name out there. NH may be very sympathetic to libertarian views, but if they don't know who you are, they wont vote for you. It's that simple.

 

[Created4]

C. Ron Paul just hasn't campaigned enough here, and when he has it has been campaign stops to Straw Polls where he was speaking to his supporters and not undecided voters. I really wish Ron Paul would have concentrated on one or two early states and not spread his campaigning stops so thin.

That's an interesting observation. Times are definitely changing, and no one really knew going into this just how influential and powerful the Internet was going to play in this election cycle. Maybe it is going to take the rising of the younger generation to voting age to make the Internet the powerful force it can be - barring any government regulation on it.

But what about the grass-roots movement? We all were hearing how strong it was in New Hampshire, and surely the enthusiasm of the Paul supporters should have counted for something? After all, Dr. Paul is less than charismatic in live appearances. If the organization was strong in New Hampshire, shouldn't the enthusiasm from the supporters catch on more than appearances of Ron Paul in person? Would more personal appearances in campaigning really have made all that much of a difference? I would think that even MSM coverage counts for more...

 

[thisisgiparti]

why?

B/c Ron was neither a big money advertiser in the state nor a "move to the state campaign for months" type of candidate either.


He spent only $250,000 on ads during December. Thats basically nothing.

He spent very little time in NH relative to what he would be expected to. Pat B told him to move there, drop Iowa, and campaign day and night. He did not.


We suffer the consequences from this strategy (which are numerous). But maybe some aspects of it will pay off in the long marathon.

Ron Paul should have listened to Pat Buchanan. It's stupid to turn down perfectly good advice from an expert. Face time doesn't cost a thing, although more ads would have helped. With 20 mil, 250K is a pittance. Oh, well.

 

[drain]

pat won NH... we all know how that worked out for the rest of his campaign..

 

[american empire]

there were plenty of ads in NH....trust me all there were was romney and Ron Paul ads...on the repub side....

 

[HazardPerry]

Because TONS of people moved to NH from Massachusetts to get away from the regulation and taxes and in the process, they brought with them the same voting tendencies that brought the exact type of government that they ran away from in the first place.


Theyre idiots.

+1000 for being 100% on the money.

 

[Maltheus]

He spent only $250,000 on ads during December. Thats basically nothing.

That's very disturbing. I had always assumed that we weren't seeing any money in my state because he was busy spending in NH, and I was fine with that. NH could have been an easy state for him. I don't think the "marathon" approach is really going to work here. Not in this Britney Spears/American Idol culture. It's about dominating the headlines. Paul should have embraced the rock star theme like Obama. It's sad it has to be that way, but given how dumbed down America is, that's the only way to pull it off anymore. He need campaign advisers who are in touch with the times.

 

[austin356]

pat won NH... we all know how that worked out for the rest of his campaign..

Completely different geopolitical situation. Completely different candidates as far as ability to attack.

Now if Ron campaigning for 3rd is their strategy so not to break their bank and/or peak too early then thats fine. But it should be known that if Ron would have taken the correct steps (means no votes in Congress in last 6 months and up to $10 Million in cash) he WOULD be the unequivocal winner of the primary.

 

[..PAUL4PRES..]

The American people's lips are firmly sealed to the the titty of government programs and until that security tit goes dry they keep voting to keep the milk flowing. Oh they might try and push their sibling off the other tit once in a while because mommy can't produce enough milk and talk about how lactate conservative they are because they are trying to get that sibling off the other tit but they can never quite get the leverage to push him away because when ones own mouth is sealed to the opposite titty you are too close to apply the necessary force.

HELL YA!!!

 

[MarcMadness]

Am I missing something?

Everyone is talking on this thread like we did horribly, is there something I don't know? Results aren't in yet. Yeah McCain will probably take the state but let's see how we do here.

Positivity people!

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Not that it means a ton, but we WILL win Alaska- support for RP is HUGE there.

Well heck. I've been thinking of where to move when it all goes down the tubes. I thought Wyoming? And then I saw their primaries, and wondered why kind of society would have saddled themselves with such a system? I though New Hampshire? And now I am seeing the kind of people who really do live in the "Live Free or Die" state.

So now I am left with Alaska. Ladies and gentlemen, I don't mind admitting to you that I fear that level of cold! And all my skills are high technology! Shucks, maybe I can flip burgers to keep enough fuel to stay in a small warm place...

I don't know if I can deal with the land of the free hating the very freedom that brought it...

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Everyone is talking on this thread like we did horribly, is there something I don't know? Results aren't in yet. Yeah McCain will probably take the state but let's see how we do here.

Positivity people!

Any time the youth and change vote turns out in record numbers like never before in American history, to vote for a candidate whose voting record is the most "establishment" voting record in the history of the United States, then even if Ron Paul comes in FIRST amongst the Republicans, then America has surely lost...something. Something vital which stabs me clear to the heart.