How could Ron possibly lose the most Libertarian state in the country?

[Birdlady]

My husband and I were thinking of moving to New Hampshire, however the liberal mindset from Boston and the surrounding areas is really infecting the state. People are leaving Massachusetts because it's a craphole, but then they are turning NH into one as well.

Same thing has happened out west too. People leave California because they hate LA, but then they keep voting for the same crap that got them into the mess in the first place in another state.

If we can't 3rd or better this is gonna look really bad for us. I am not saying we are over, but it's gonna hurt us a lot.

 

[Jared Callanan]

A couple comments on New Hampshire. I live here and have worked in the political game here for many years and have worked for Ron Paul here and around the country.

A. New Hampshire is a much more liberal state than it once was. It is no longer the great libertarian state it once was. Craig Benson was viewed as a libertarian-esque Governor and he was widely rejected for a second term, one of the few governors to fail at re-election after a two year stint.

B. The "Free State Project" is a very very very great thing but no where close to as popular as they make it out to be. I don't want to discredit them because they have done unbelievable work for Dr. Paul here but it's just not this huge powerful organization in the state.

C. Ron Paul just hasn't campaigned enough here, and when he has it has been campaign stops to Straw Polls where he was speaking to his supporters and not undecided voters. I really wish Ron Paul would have concentrated on one or two early states and not spread his campaigning stops so thin.

D. Southern New Hampshire, specifically the Seacoast area is basically a suburb of Boston now, I agree with that. However, there was a rumored poll floating around the HQ last night that Ron Paul and John McCain were tied at 31% a piece on the Seacoast. Not sure how credible it is but we shall find out.

 

[RevolutionSD]

NH is a different planet let alone country in comparison to the rest of the states. It is a Libertarian state government top to bottom with numerous Libertarian elected officials and government employees. The Free State Project is bringing in thousands of the most Pro-Libertarian minded people from all around the country. Their state motto is Live Free or Die is basically Ron's entire platform. We all know media polls mean nothing. I just cant see how it would be possible for Ron to lose.

it's delusional to think that NH is some kind of haven for libertarianism.

the free state project people have helped a tiny bit, but it's got all the same problems as most states- people brainwashed by msm sources and not want to let go of their statist memes.

 

[tsetsefly]

Well, look at it this way - a lot of independent voters simply do not trust Republicans any longer no matter what they say or who runs on their ticket. They think the Democrats are the safer bet and just don't know any better.

true...

 

[Johncjackson]

Most Libertarian isn't the same as actually Libertarian.

Bingo.
And the real % of actual libertarians in the U.S. is fairly small. I have seen some polls claiming somewhere between 15-30% of people are somewhat libertarian based VERY broad criteria. And this is on the high side including "libertarian-leaning." The hardcore libertarian base that actually votes for libertarian ( big or small l) politica candidates is in the low single digits.

So with NH, you have a place that has a high % of libertarian "LEANING" folks who don't support "extreme" libertarian politics. And even if you have the most actual libertarians but it is a small %.

Even if 10% of NH is actually libertarian, that would be enough to be the most libertarian state ( or maybe close with Alaska?).

And if ALL those people bother to vote and vote for Ron Paul, that is still not enough to win. But it SHOULD be enough to place well and embarrass Fred, RUdy, FNC, and others.

 

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

For me the election is highlighting how much "drones" and "sheep" we have in the country. And how America has been so dumbed down...

I mean if people generally had logical reasons behind their vote, and actually agreed with whom they are voting for... It wouldn't be so bad. But instead you have people saying "Oh I'm voting for Mccain since he is anti-war" and "I'm for Obama since he is such a good speaker"... Retarded rationals like these just seem to be a recurring theme so far.

We still have a ways to go, but a lot more people are making decisions more on the core of an individual's essence than a seductive facade.

Next time you "like" a girl or guy or treat them better because they're "hot", just remember you are doing the same thing as these people in the primaries.

 

[RevolutionSD]

Not that it means a ton, but we WILL win Alaska- support for RP is HUGE there.

 

[Thomas Jefferson Jr.]

Andrew-Austin the candidates don't even really talk about anything when they speak. They just say some calculated speech some dude they pay thousands of dollars gives them. Its disgusting! I watch the news these days and can help but gag at this utter bullshit. For example can anyone tell me the plan by any Democrat frontrunner on the economy and dealing with the recession we are in right now? I don't get how Americans can continue to allow themselves to be flat out lied to over and over getting no fucking results and not change. Wake up America you already elected the Democrats into congress to end the war. Did they? NO! They took control of congress and didn't "CHANGE" shit. Just like if you elect Obama or Edwards or Bill their not going to really change anything.

 

[tsetsefly]

A couple comments on New Hampshire. I live here and have worked in the political game here for many years and have worked for Ron Paul here and around the country.

A. New Hampshire is a much more liberal state than it once was. It is no longer the great libertarian state it once was. Craig Benson was viewed as a libertarian-esque Governor and he was widely rejected for a second term, one of the few governors to fail at re-election after a two year stint.

B. The "Free State Project" is a very very very great thing but no where close to as popular as they make it out to be. I don't want to discredit them because they have done unbelievable work for Dr. Paul here but it's just not this huge powerful organization in the state.

C. Ron Paul just hasn't campaigned enough here, and when he has it has been campaign stops to Straw Polls where he was speaking to his supporters and not undecided voters. I really wish Ron Paul would have concentrated on one or two early states and not spread his campaigning stops so thin.

D. Southern New Hampshire, specifically the Seacoast area is basically a suburb of Boston now, I agree with that. However, there was a rumored poll floating around the HQ last night that Ron Paul and John McCain were tied at 31% a piece on the Seacoast. Not sure how credible it is but we shall find out.

teh free state project is filled with people that commit to moving and never do, only 500 out of 5000+ have even moved, they could have an impact if they got 5,000 there to move, but people dont back up what they say...

 

[Jared Callanan]

teh free state project is filled with people that commit to moving and never do, only 500 out of 5000+ have even moved, they could have an impact if they got 5,000 there to move, but people dont back up what they say...

They are hard working folks who have been working tirelessly and I would never say anything bad about them. However, throughout most of this campaign we have heard about the FSP being a potential reason we were going to post great results in New Hampshire. They just aren't large enough to be able to deliver those types of results.

 

[Carole]

From another thread:


This thread will also show you these machines are a joke.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=81431

Vote Machine Fraud in NH
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test showing the exact machines used in NH vote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiiaBqwqkXs

 

[Pliny]

I think Ron Paul is doing an amazing job in a very tough environment. This nation has gone for decades without hearing the kind of message Ron Paul is presenting, many still have not heard it, and the knee jerk reaction for many who have been brought up in socialism is to reject freedom. Hopefully more and more people will begin to reason again rather than simply sway from one slick talking empty suit to another.

 

[Thomas Jefferson Jr.]

Wow I read the Free State Project and a few other things about NH and I thought it was this amazing Libertarian heaven. Well I guess sadly thats not true anymore which just ruined my day bigtime as for the last few weeks I was enthusiastic about NH and felt great relief that at least one state was Pro-Libertarian. Not trying to shoot the messenger or anything but damn that sucks. Americans need to educate themselves on what this country has become and the path we are following. That really pisses me off that Mass. people and others have infected NH Libertarian mindset. I still think Ron will win NH though because of the Independent voters. Ron won the Independent vote in Iowa and I have a feeling that maybe thats going to be Ron's X Factor throughout the primaries. Independents could swing any state in Ron's favor with the extremely low Republican voter turnout.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Andrew-Austin the candidates don't even really talk about anything when they speak. They just say some calculated speech some dude they pay thousands of dollars gives them. Its disgusting! I watch the news these days and can help but gag at this utter bullshit. For example can anyone tell me the plan by any Democrat frontrunner on the economy and dealing with the recession we are in right now? I don't get how Americans can continue to allow themselves to be flat out lied to over and over getting no fucking results and not change. Wake up America you already elected the Democrats into congress to end the war. Did they? NO! They took control of congress and didn't "CHANGE" shit. Just like if you elect Obama or Edwards or Bill their not going to really change anything.

QFT

 

[klamath]

Because TONS of people moved to NH from Massachusetts to get away from the regulation and taxes and in the process, they brought with them the same voting tendencies that brought the exact type of government that they ran away from in the first place.


Theyre idiots.

So true Mike.

 

[Carole]

Sorry but that was pre-Obama-rama. Now the Independents are jumping on the Obama bandwagon, and let us not forget the "virile charismatic-war-mongering" McCain.

 

[Jared Callanan]

To be realistic, I am hoping for a third place finish here. Anything over 15% would be unreal.

 

[newbitech]

we got screwed on turnout in Iowa.

The young people want change! The young people understand! The young people hear the message! The young people are upset and know they are in a system that doen't care about their future! The young people...

voted for Obama.

If this trend continue, we need to push Dr. Paul to run as an indie that way we have time to really dig in to Obama's youth movement and swing the turnout in Dr. Paul's favor. It will be the summer of LOVE part II.

 

[Badger Paul]

New Hampshire is more libertarian than most states, which is why it as chosen for the FSP, but that's like being the tallest building in Topeka.

There are only 500 Free Staters who live in New Hampshire currently. It's good base of activist support for the Paul campaign along with other pro-liberty groups around the state who are also organized, but it one could argue they're a minority within a minority of Republicans. Although seeing Sen. Sununu speak at this year's Liberty Forum was a coup. I think his presence takes away the "fringe" label from the FSP.

In case anyone hasn't noticed, the Dems run the governor's office and state legislature. That's unprescedented in New Hampshire history. They've effectively used the "Massholes" to take control of the states, especially near the Boston area. Our kind of voters live in the much poorer and more rural northern half of the state.

Most Republicans now are worried about "security" not just from terrorists but also within the economy whether its through subsidies or cheap credit. Their view has evolved where the government's job is not to be hands off or orver-regulate is just to make sure to back things up, give things a boost. To be secure in their economic fortunes. They have no problem with this now and it explains why Huckabee has such appeal.

Ultimately what can turn this situation around is a mass migration of libertarians to New Hampshire, just as a mass migration of liberals to Vermont changed its state's politics and a mass migration of conservative Californians made states like Idaho, Texas and Utah even more conservative and Republican than before. Otherwise even New Hampshire will be lost to us

 

[Carole]

Probably to Vermont!!

You know guys, there is one thing no one discusses that we could have in our favor.

There are up to twenty-twenty five states considering secession. Vermont is very serious about it, Tennessee held the last convention. Alaska, of course is considering it.

These states would be the ones where RP cold do something. But only the ones where the movement is very strong.

If anyone knows more about this subject, you might want to lok into it.

I can see it now-"Secessionist Leaning States Endorse Paul"