How Can We Trust The Books Of The Bible?

[Sola_Fide]

 

[Falcon63]

You can't.

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[Sola_Fide]

You can't.

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If you're not going to give me the respect to watch the video and respond to the arguments, I'd rather you not even reply. Thanks.

 

[Falcon63]

If you're not going to give me the respect to watch the video and respond to the arguments, I'd rather you not even reply. Thanks.

There is no way the Bible could EVER be considered valid and trustworthy. Anything he says cannot change that.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Sorry, I can't neg rep the troll right now, I've already given him too much recently, apparently...

Although I am a believer in Sola Scriptura and believe the Protestant canon is the correct one, I've also been casually curious about how we can be sure which ones deserved to get in and which ones didn't. I'll watch the video when I have time later and then I'll give you a fair response...

 

[libertyjam]

First off, of course the church fathers created the cannon. Next he goes straight into belief, "they were convinced" (they believed) they were given books as authoritative and divinely inspired as the old testament. Well bully for them, I think he is 100% wrong. If he starts out with bad premise and statements of an idiot, cannot go any farther.

 

[PSYOP]

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[Smart3]

While I still do have great faith in the teachings of Jesus, we may never know the truth about most of the events that took place in the bible. The Romans no doubt fucked with it on many occasions including at the Council of Nicea (it was in their best interest to maintain political power), and any other evidence to prove otherwise would have been destroyed (or lost) in the multiple burnings of the Library of Alexandria.

Nicaea dealt with the divinity of Jesus, nothing else.

 

[The Goat]

If you believe in him, you know what words to be true. The way of Jesus is a philosophy that will make sense just like the philosophy of liberty. Anything that doesn't fit in would be apparent.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

While I still do have great faith in the teachings of Jesus, we may never know the truth about most of the events that took place in the bible. The Romans no doubt fucked with it on many occasions including at the Council of Nicea (it was in their best interest to maintain political power), and any other evidence to prove otherwise would have been destroyed (or lost) in the multiple burnings of the Library of Alexandria.

Reading the Church fathers helps it make sense.

 

[anaconda]

 

[jmdrake]

ZG part 1 is pure bunk. ZG addendum is religious socialism. Do your own research. Khrishna was not "crucified" according to the Hindu writings. He was mistaken for a deer and shot in the foot. The only evidence for the ZG claim is a French book that also attacks Christianity and bases the claim on a supposed 400 year old oral tradition (itself younger than Christianity) that has never been verified outside the ranks of those who try to tear down Christianity. There are legitimate criticisms of the Bible. The nonsense put in ZG is not one of them.

 

[otherone]

Religion has provided the State both carrot and stick with which to motivate it's donkeys. As far as the Council of Nicea, I wouldn't trust any dogma convention hosted by Barack Obama.

 

[jmdrake]

Religion has provided the State both carrot and stick with which to motivate it's donkeys. As far as the Council of Nicea, I wouldn't trust any dogma convention hosted by Barack Obama.

Religion has also been used as a tool to galvanize people against state oppression. In communist countries suppression of religion brought the opposite of enlightenment. It's funny that someone posted Zeitgeist. Part I included a bogus and dishonest attack on Christianity. In Zeitgeist "addendum" the full agenda was revealed which was a new socialist-pseudo religion replacing everything. A word to the wise.

 

[Smart3]

“Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet. Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.”

― Napoleon Bonaparte

Regarding Zeitgeist - it does get many things wrong, but that doesn't change the simple truth that the Jesus story is not unique - there are many Sons of God - including ones who partake in the godhead/eternal divinity.

There were even other groups who called themselves Christians and had no connection at all to the Bible or Judaism.

 

[AFPVet]

If you believe in him, you know what words to be true. The way of Jesus is a philosophy that will make sense just like the philosophy of liberty. Anything that doesn't fit in would be apparent.

Indeed!

 

[jllundqu]

While I still do have great faith in the teachings of Jesus, we may never know the truth about most of the events that took place in the bible. The Romans no doubt fucked with it on many occasions including at the Council of Nicea (it was in their best interest to maintain political power), and any other evidence to prove otherwise would have been destroyed (or lost) in the multiple burnings of the Library of Alexandria.

This x1000 +rep

If people would only realize that the original teachings of Jesus and what is actually in the bible are not equal... The government of the time FUBARed that for everyone. It has been written, scripted, and re-written a thousand times to suit the needs of those in power to control populations.

I love Jesus, not any of the machinations that sprung up after his time. Hell most of the holidays we celebrate today are Pagan in a Christian's clothing, to include Easter and Christmas.

 

[TheTexan]

You can't trust anything. At all. You can just believe what you want to believe, that's all you can do.

 

[James Madison]

While I still do have great faith in the teachings of Jesus, we may never know the truth about most of the events that took place in the bible. The Romans no doubt fucked with it on many occasions including at the Council of Nicea (it was in their best interest to maintain political power), and any other evidence to prove otherwise would have been destroyed (or lost) in the multiple burnings of the Library of Alexandria.

You raise an interesting point with reference tot he Library of Alexandira. One can only imagine the wealth of knowledge that was lost forever. It could also be possible that some writings were lost in the sea of time.

Then you have books like Enoch, which is held as Canon by some Ethiopian Christians, but not others. It's an interesting read; it fills in some of the gaps between Genesis 3 and 6 and provides new information on why the Flood took place.

 

[Yieu]

Zeitgeist Part 1 is wrong. The Supreme Lord Sri Krishna was not crucified, He was not the first child to Devaki, He was born in the Fall, not Dec. 25th (and the Hindu calendar does not consistently match up to ours year to year), and I am not sure how many disciples he had.