Gary Johnson HOT: Gary Johnson Interview with Robert Wenzel - Just How Libertarian is Gary Johnson?

[Feeding the Abscess]

No Gary does not have a similar record. Have you ever been to the Round House in Santa Fe? New Mexico government may be the most corrupt in the entire country. New Mexicans are no freer today than they were before Gary was governor. Taxes went up under his watch.




My vote has never counted anyway. They always announce the winner before my vote is even counted.

No, Gary does not meet my minimum requirements. Ron Paul says that everyone who believes in freedom must work diligently for sound money, fully redeemable. When Gary is working diligently for sound money, fully redeemable, then I'll vote for him.

Not only that, but Gary had an opportunity to pardon and release non-violent drug "criminals" while governor and didn't. Even his pet issue is a fucking scam.

 

[farreri]

Arguing over whether to vote for Gary Johnson or write in Ron Paul? Makes no sense, neither will come close to making an impact. Sure, vote, but it isn't anything to get upset over.

I disagree. I think if Ron teamed up with Gary, they'd have a shot at winning like Jesse Ventura did running as a 3rd party against both a Dem and Rep. Ron, a long-time Congressman, and Gary, a 2x Governor, should be allowed in all the debates. If not, I think that would create such a back-lash against the two party monopoly in the next elections.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

I disagree. I think if Ron teamed up with Gary, they'd have a shot at winning like Jesse Ventura did running as a 3rd party against both a Dem and Rep. Ron, a long-time Congressman, and Gary, a 2x Governor, should be allowed in all the debates. If not, I think that would create such a back-lash against the two party monopoly in the next elections.

What would happen is that all the Democrats would vote for Obama, the Republicans would be split into two factions, and the independents would be split in three ways. Obama would win.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

What would happen is that all the Democrats would vote for Obama, the Republicans would be split into two factions, and the independents would be split in three ways. Obama would win.

If Romney wins, Obama wins anyway. Or at least his ideas do.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

You're both clearly delusional. First and foremost, states have the right to decide what is best for their state. What he would have chosen for his particular state as a governor doesn't mean it'd be implemented at a federal level. You both can't seem to make that distinction

What is important for the sake of this argument is his budget was balanced and he cut taxes 14 times.

As for not immediately pardoning non-violent drug offenders, have you ever found his reasoning for not doing so? Because as far as I'm concerned, you can't just look at something he didn't do and draw some conclusion from it. What does matter is he's always been in favor of ending the drug war.

Like I said, Ron can talk about immediately ending the fed and the drug war but even he has come back to earth a little bit and it shows through his legislation. That is the ultimate goal all of us have, but it's near impossible to just shut it down. Ron has even stated many things need to be phased out, and the only way to end them is to phase them out, so I don't understand all of the flak you give GJ.

Not only that, but Gary had an opportunity to pardon and release non-violent drug "criminals" while governor and didn't. Even his pet issue is a fucking scam.

 

[mport1]

I don't understand why people are surprised by Gary's total lack of knowledge on libertarian thought. He isn't a libertarian. This is something we've known all a long. He doesnt understand the first thing about libertarianism. He is a big government Republican. Another nail in the coffin for the LP.

 

[Travlyr]

You're both clearly delusional.

Clearly not. We simply understand that to keep voting for tyranny, or tyranny lite, will not set us free.

Have you read "End The Fed" by Ron Paul? Are you aware of Ron Paul's proposal - Free Competition in Currency Act of 2011, H.R. 1098

While it wouldn't End The Fed immediately, the competition would put them out of business in a hurry.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Condescending attitude for some random that has spent the bulk of his time preaching on an internet forum but hasn't actually done squat for the cause he claims to promote.

I've been here longer than you have and I'm well aware of Ron's legislation and I've read all of his books.

Let me ask you this since your such a smart ass. If Obama, Romney, and GJ are on the ballot, who's the one of them that would actually sign H.R. 1098 into law and not veto it?

Furthermore, as an individual who has been right on nearly all major economic issues and one that has a track record of it on this forum (go ahead and dig up my old posts. I've been right when many of you were crying we'd all be survivalists,) I can assure you even if that act was law the fed would be far from out of business.

Again, you've yet to provide any concrete faults with GJ. You can nitpick, but he's always had a balanced budget, a budget surplus, and he's cut taxes 14 times, only prominent governor to actively crusade against the drug war, and he's vetoed more bills than 99% of people in power in our history.

I'm sure if he were in congress he could be a brick wall and take a principled stand on every single federal issue, but he was governor of a state, and he's prevented tyranny in that state.

Like I said, you need to put your money where your mouth is or shut up. All I've ever seen out of you is self righteous preaching. Almost 11,000 posts in about 2 years. You're really helping the cause of liberty...

Clearly not. We simply understand that to keep voting for tyranny, or tyranny lite, will not set us free.

Have you read "End The Fed" by Ron Paul? Are you aware of Ron Paul's proposal - Free Competition in Currency Act of 2011, H.R. 1098

While it wouldn't End The Fed immediately, the competition would put them out of business in a hurry.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

You're on the wrong forum, bud. This is for Ron Paul and traditional republican principles. If you're an anarchist, maybe you should worry about and work in your own party.

I'll admit whole heartedly GJ is not a libertarian by any stretch of the imagination....but he is an oldschool republican and that's what I identify with, as well as many others here, and that's what I'll vote for.

If you're offended, take your party back like I'm trying to take mine back.

I don't understand why people are surprised by Gary's total lack of knowledge on libertarian thought. He isn't a libertarian. This is something we've known all a long. He doesnt understand the first thing about libertarianism. He is a big government Republican. Another nail in the coffin for the LP.

 

[specsaregood]

Nobody here would mistake me for a Gary Johnson fan; but to hate him cuz he hasn't read some geeky austrian economist books is b.s.

 

[Respect38]

Arguing over whether to vote for Gary Johnson or write in Ron Paul? Makes no sense, neither will come close to making an impact. Sure, vote, but it isn't anything to get upset over.

Gary Johnson is having an impact on the polls, and will very likely have some impact on the election in November.

Saying defeatist things like "Gary Johnson isn't going to have an impact, what's the point of voting for him" are the kinds of things that are going to make him have no impact.

Either way, he only has to get 15% in the polls to get to the debates in October, and since it's just early June and they're qualifying for FEC matching funds, then I'm personally optimistic about his chances of being there with Barack Obama and the Republican nominee.

If he does, then he's a shoe-in for the 5% needed to get funds for 2016.

Really, the only question I can see anyone asking is, "Do I want a libertarian candidate getting extra campaign money in 2016?"

You're on the wrong forum, bud. This is for Ron Paul and traditional republican principles. If you're an anarchist, maybe you should worry about and work in your own party.

Wait, what? I thought I was in the Liberty Forest, a forum for all libertarians... was I mistaken, perhaps?

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

Source, please.

He's made his rhetoric sound more like Ron Paul's regarding the Fed, but where does he ever call for ending it?

 

[Respect38]

He's made his rhetoric sound more like Ron Paul's regarding the Fed, but where does he ever call for ending it?

So the fact that the furthest he's called for is an audit, you think that makes him pro-Fed?

Your logic is still escaping me.

Plus, one of his newer videos is in my head, so I'm having a bit trouble just believing that he's pro-Fed either way.

 

[Travlyr]

He's made his rhetoric sound more like Ron Paul's regarding the Fed, but where does he ever call for ending it?

He doesn't. He said he would sign audit the Fed legislation if he was presented with a bill, but he doesn't seem to understand that it is the central bank that is robbing the people of their peace and prosperity.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

So the fact that the furthest he's called for is an audit, you think that makes him pro-Fed?

If he would keep it around, then yes that makes him pro-Fed.

 

[Respect38]

If he would keep it around, then yes that makes him pro-Fed.

No, someone who was pro-Fed would be against an audit on the Fed, and would likely veto such a bill, I think. At least, they wouldn't openly support such a bill before its even out, as that would hurt their relationship with the Fed's people.

When has Ron Paul called for more than an audit? That is what I would like to know. I always assumed that the steps were 1) get an audit, and then 2) with the results, make a decision with what to do with the Fed.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

No, someone who was pro-Fed would be against an audit on the Fed, and would likely veto such a bill, I think. At least, they wouldn't openly support such a bill before its even out, as that would hurt their relationship with the Fed's people.

When has Ron Paul called for more than an audit? That is what I would like to know. I always assumed that the steps were 1) get an audit, and then 2) with the results, make a decision with what to do with the Fed.

Perhaps you should consult Ron Paul's book 'End the Fed' to see what he wants to do with the central bank

 

[S.Shorland]

Johnson is a phoney in my book but he's better than Still (who is a horror in his view of money) so I'm thankful for small creeps rather than big ones.

 

[enoch150]

Paul comes from the Rothbard/Rockwell branch of libertarianism while Johnson is in the Cato/Reason camp. That was known from the beginning. You could see it even in the two Republican debates Johnson was in.

In as much as I'm firmly in the Rothbard/Rockwell camp ideologically, Johnson is still a big enough step in the right direction that I don't have a problem supporting him anymore than Justin Amash and Rand Paul. Unless something dramatic happens in the next few months, Johnson is going to be one of the few limited government candidates left.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

I'm still waiting for the evidence I asked you for in regard to taxation, drug war, etc etc.

Further, in response to this foolish statement, you're flat out wrong. Did you not see his latest ad? It's all about the fed. Clearly he understands it, but his approach is a little bit different than Ron's. Again, you can't just get rid of the fed. I know that hurts for you to hear, but it's the truth. The powers to be would never let it happen, so start with reigning it in first.

The fact of the matter is you didn't even view the ad. You already have your preformed opinions and you're grasping onto straws to defend them. You look and sound absolutely foolish. You can't do the research on the candidate, you won't read, so your response is to make things up and draw conclusions from things that weren't even spoken. IE, if GJ doesn't specifically say one thing about an issue, it means he's on the wrong side of the issue. Total nonsense.

Your logic is flawed on so many levels along with SailingAway and other members. GJ has a damn good record, but you defend Justin Amash who voted to support Israel with unlimited tax payer dollars and military resources.

He doesn't. He said he would sign audit the Fed legislation if he was presented with a bill, but he doesn't seem to understand that it is the central bank that is robbing the people of their peace and prosperity.