Gary Johnson HOT: Gary Johnson Interview with Robert Wenzel - Just How Libertarian is Gary Johnson?

[Cowlesy]

We libertarians really need to emulate John Stossel and Andrew Napolitano.

Both have no problem being involved with all of Reason, CATO, Mises, Paul, and Johnson.

It was like Wenzel was playing gotcha and trying to accuse Johnson of lying about his libertarian credentials. Wenzel gets into theory of credit creation/boom-bust almost accusing Gary of lying about his knowledge (meanwhile I imagine Gary is sitting there scratching his head wondering, "Was this to be a test of some sort?").

To be fair, Wenzel kept saying "*hardcore libertarians* are not going to buy this or that" , but if I were Johnson, after that interview I would have thought "how rude, and well...F that guy..."

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

If you guys want to accept a pro-Fed, pro-intervention politician who doesn't know a thing about Austrian Economics, you are more than welcome to. I will take my support elsewhere personally.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

I don't understand the Gary Johnson hate from so called "libertarians."

First and foremost, GJ is easily one of the most "libertarian," and if not definitely one of the most republican governors our nation has ever had. He vetoed a great deal and kept government small. Further, as a governor he had the authority to experiment with programs or other state-specific functions if he wanted...he didn't.

Secondly, who did Mises, Rothbard, and Hazlitt read that qualified them as "libertarians?" If we are using the logic you have to read so called "libertarian scholars," (even though it can be said Austrian theory is not limited to one political party...so I don't understand why some of you are trying to make that connection...) who did they study that qualified them to be "worthy?"

Is not comprehending the Constitution and upholding one's oath enough? Is common sense not enough to understand government intervention stifles economic growth?

Fact of the matter is, Rothbard, Hazlitt, and Mises all formulated a great portion of their theories from observation, something I'd argue is superior from taking marching orders from a text. (Funny, a lot of you advocating taking their literature as economic scripture are quick to decry reading and taking the knowledge from other texts as fact.)

Gary Johnson has experience as governor and has observed first hand how government can be destructive.

But then again, I'm sure those of you that have never been in a position of power, nor maintained any authority, are superior for any office simply because you read Rothbard articles on mises.org.

Get real.

 

[farreri]

I don't understand the Gary Johnson hate from so called "libertarians."

Well first, every "group" has its extremists, including the Libertarians. Second, there's a lot of LINOs out there.

Ron Paul has to stop kidding himself that the Republican Party can be "saved" and jump ship by returning to the party he really is of and team up with Gary Johnson and libertarians will have the best chance in Libertarian Party history.

 

[1000-points-of-fright]

For 8 yrs the guy pretty much does what Ron Paul would've done if he had been the governor of a state but it's not good enough because he didn't read the right books first. I'm not saying you have to vote for him, but at least be glad that the option is available. This "more libertarian than thou" attitude is emotionally and intellectually fucking retarded.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Well said.

Further, Austrian economics and the libertarian party are not one in the same. They just happen to compliment one another, and Austrian economics just happens to be incredibly compatible with the Constitution (if not the only compatible school of economics.)

For 8 yrs the guy pretty much does what Ron Paul would've done if he had been the governor of a state but it's not good enough because he didn't read the right books first. I'm not saying you have to vote for him, but at least be glad that the option is available. This "more libertarian than thou" attitude is emotionally and intellectually fucking retarded.

 

[Travlyr]

I don't see how anyone could claim to be libertarian and not be a staunch End The Fed person. A monopoly on money is where central bankers get control of government. The Fed is the reason that the federal government is not limited. They are the reason for the war economy. They are the culprits for the police state.

Gary Johnson is not working diligently for sound money, fully redeemable.

 

[Respect38]

pro-Fed

Source, please.

 

[farreri]

I don't see how anyone could claim to be libertarian and not be a stanch End The Fed person. A monopoly on money is where central bankers get control of government. The Fed is the reason that the federal government is not limited. They are the reason for the war economy. They are the culprits for the police state.

Gary Johnson is not working diligently for sound money, fully redeemable.

So who you going to vote for after the primaries are over?

 

[Travlyr]

So who you going to vote for after the primaries are over?

No One But Paul!

He wrote the book on it.

 

[farreri]

No One But Paul!

He wrote the book on it.

So you are going to write him in?

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Forgive me for calling you a moron....but you're a moron.

GJ's latest campaign ad is about ending the Fed. He's never advocated the central bank. Additionally, you have to understand a governor's focus on issues is different than those of a congressman. How would it have made sense for GJ to push federal issues as governor?

He did a lot of "libertarian" things for his own state as governor, though. He never let special banking interests control his administration or state. That says a lot.

You could even make the case he did more as a leader than Ron. It's easy to take a principled stand in congress. GJ vetoed more than his fair share of bills, each one that could have put his ass on the line. He pissed off republicans and democrats...he took action.

Of course I'm voting for Ron if he's on the ballot, but it boggles my mind you would attack GJ on that issue simply because he wasn't in congress on a committee dealing directly with the fed. Again, as a governor your state is your priority.


Edit: And if you're going to say he won't "immediately" end the Fed, Ron wouldn't either. It's not possible, which is why Ron finally got smart and decided to push the first domino instead of knocking them all down at once by seeking an audit.

I don't see how anyone could claim to be libertarian and not be a staunch End The Fed person. A monopoly on money is where central bankers get control of government. The Fed is the reason that the federal government is not limited. They are the reason for the war economy. They are the culprits for the police state.


Gary Johnson is not working diligently for sound money, fully redeemable.

 

[Travlyr]

So you are going to write him in?

In BIG LETTERS with a black magic marker. Ron Paul is the only candidate who is against assassinations of citizens, for a foreign policy of freedom, honest sound money, and has the record to prove it.

No One But Paul!! Ron Paul that is.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Actually, GJ has a similar record. If Ron's not on the ballot, enjoy knowing your vote won't even be read since it's a write in. You, like sailingaway, are one of those individuals that will never be happy unless the candidate is Ron Paul.

In BIG LETTERS with a black magic marker. Ron Paul is the only candidate who is against assassinations of citizens, for a foreign policy of freedom, honest sound money, and has the record to prove it.

No One But Paul!! Ron Paul that is.

 

[farreri]

In BIG LETTERS with a black magic marker. Ron Paul is the only candidate who is against assassinations of citizens, for a foreign policy of freedom, honest sound money, and has the record to prove it.

No One But Paul!! Ron Paul that is.

Don't get me wrong, I'm against and for those things that you are too.

But are you saying GJ doesn't meet your minimums?

If GJ does, do you think RP is going to get more write-ins than GJ is going to get votes?

 

[rockandrollsouls]

I don't even know why bother arguing with people like this. Travlyr is so anti-fed, he spends most of his time racking up 10,000+ posts talking about it on the internet. He should put his money where his self-righteous mouth is. I haven't seen him or sailingaway or any of these other self righteous political zealots do anything of note or make any difference.

Don't get me wrong, I'm against and for those things that you are too.

But are you saying GJ doesn't meet your minimums?

If GJ does, do you think RP is going to get more write-ins than GJ is going to get votes?

 

[farreri]

I don't even know why bother arguing with people like this.

I'm trying honey over vinegar first.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Arguing over whether to vote for Gary Johnson or write in Ron Paul? Makes no sense, neither will come close to making an impact. Sure, vote, but it isn't anything to get upset over.

 

[Travlyr]

Actually, GJ has a similar record. If Ron's not on the ballot, enjoy knowing your vote won't even be read since it's a write in. You, like sailingaway, are one of those individuals that will never be happy unless the candidate is Ron Paul.

No Gary does not have a similar record. Have you ever been to the Round House in Santa Fe? New Mexico government may be the most corrupt in the entire country. New Mexicans are no freer today than they were before Gary was governor. Taxes went up under his watch.

Don't get me wrong, I'm against and for those things that you are too.

But are you saying GJ doesn't meet your minimums?

If GJ does, do you think RP is going to get more write-ins than GJ is going to get votes?

My vote has never counted anyway. They always announce the winner before my vote is even counted.

No, Gary does not meet my minimum requirements. Ron Paul says that everyone who believes in freedom must work diligently for sound money, fully redeemable. When Gary is working diligently for sound money, fully redeemable, then I'll vote for him.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Just vote for this guy: