Hold on.... Uhh.... Yep. Yep I think... I think i got an Idea!!!

The time used to collectively think and debate about what other thing to do is better than this is probably worth more than $1,000.

Stop trying to spend this guys money. You have no right to speculate where he decides to spend his cash. Do you people understand what this campaign is about? You must use these principles everywhere all the time or you fail. Political expediency is not a reason to determine where others monies are spent.

Rev9
 
that dead gray brown dirt of the high dessert.

That doesn't sound encouraging. It sort of implies that nothing grows there, and if so, there is a reason for that.

If that isn't correct and there is grass, how high does it grow? How high do your flowers grow?

What altitude is this? Many plants have very hard limits on where they will grow, based on altitude.

Do a dry run and do 2 things: get some soil samples to send to the AG extension for testing to find out what the soil lacks and bring a spade to find out how hard it is to dig in that soil. You might also bring several varieties of seed, plant them and see if anything grows.

Next - what wildlife is in the area? elk, deer, rabbits, etc. might love you for this effort - and make short work of your sign... some coyote, wolf or mountain lion lure spread around the sign could keep them at bay but probably would need replacement monthly. Human urine works in a pinch, but others are better.

From your description of the soil, it's probably deficient in nitrogen and organic matter in particular. That means at a minimum, packing in fertilizer and maybe manure / top soil. See what the AG extension says. If you do pack this in, be sure to pack it in dry. The weight difference is incredible.

some plants are picky about their soil and light conditions, others less so. There is also an optimal depth to bury seeds/bulbs. As it's on a hill, worry about getting them deep enough so they don't migrate downhill with the rains. What is the grade of this hill?

An alternative might be clover, that does flower in the spring and would be noticeable as green against that grey/brown background. It also breaks up and conditions soil, adding nutrients/organic matter making it friendly for later things to grow.

If it were me, I'd get a bunch of paper towels and spray them lightly with miracle grow, place in the sun to dry and when still a bit sticky, sprinkle lightly with your seed of choice. then press a similar roll, sheet by sheet on top of it so they stick together. When dry, roll up. When up there, roll out into letters and cover to the correct depth with potting or top soil or manure.

That's a lot to pack up there, so consider a off road vehicle in place of a mountain bike. Alternately, there are pack animals, if you can borrow one. Here's a chart as to their capabilities:

Donkey: 8-10 miles (13-16 km) per day, at best walk 2.5 mph for 10-12 hours a day. can carry 150 lb (68kg), but the heavier the load the slower the walk. speed and distance also depend on terrain.

mules: 3 mph (5km)for 14 hours a day - tougher, stronger and more disease resistant than horses. range not listed.

horses (3 day trip): 4 mph (6.5 km) for up to 8 hours a day, up to 50 miles a day. can carry up to 200 lb (91 kg).

horses (3 week trip): as above but average distance drops to 20 miles a day. You must take rest days.

ponies: no distance or rate given, load based on size but a 14.2 h.h. pony can carry 160 lb (72.5 kg).

Yaks: travel at 1.5 mph (2.5 km)

Sheep: (used in Tibet) can stay healthy in allmost grassless land where yaks and ponies can't find food. max load per sheep is about 25 lb (11.5 kg).

Dogs: (polar regions) a 7 dog team can pull 600 lb (272 kg) and cover 20 miles (32 km) per day. takes substantial skill to learn to handle them.

Camels: 600 lb (272 kg) at 3mph (5km) and will travel 17 miles (27 km) per day. Better speed if travel is at night and rest during the day.

Elephants: have one speed - slow. max load is not given but substantial. Probably a couple of tons, if dragged.

Wives: 45 Ib.. 3mph will travel 15 miles per day. Must be kept muzzled. Speed and distance also depend on how many shops passed.The info on riding, leading and packing this pack animal is as yet unpublished.

Books on how to pack different animals can be found on this list:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/richpub/li...cm_lm_byauthor_title_full/104-0713657-4432712

This online manual is also very good:
http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-05-213.pdf

Other sources:
http://www.military-info.com/mphoto/p005.htm
http://www.military-info.com/Aphoto/Subjectlist/A005.htm

If you pack it in on your back, you could probably get one or two bags each, per trip. It won't go as far as you think it will, so expect many trips. If you do an off road vehicle, you could get in and out fast, caching the soil under a brown tarp. Remember to always repair fences or it will arouse attention.

You could probably do something like my paper towel approach in a night, if you can get all the soil up there, to plant a ton of bulbs by hands is going to take days, if not weeks. Individual seeds, fall in between, but depend on soil conditions. How easily it can be worked.

Hope that helps,

-t
 
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A few other thoughts.

Again, what is the grade of this hill? Will people be viewing it looking up at it or down on it? Probably up. That means your letters need to be thinner and taller to look normal or the message will look short and squat (fat).

A different approach might be to rent a cement mixer or build a larger capacity (5ga bucket) ball mill and mix wildflower mix, soil/manure and maybe some chemical fertilizer - perhaps ammonium nitrate in it. Then use one of those hand push spreaders to distribute it within your margins. The spreaders can be purchased for ~$120-150 or you can rent one. Bulk wildflower seed can be gotten from many places, here is one:

http://www.americanmeadows.com/wildflower-seeds

As noted above, getting this stuff up the hill, won't be easy.

On laying out the grid - it's going to be harder than you think, but laying letters out with string at home and having measuring tapes so you can make things end up straight would help. Bring some laser pointers - that would help a LOT! Bottom is this beam, top is this beam, plant some stakes and string. Letter A this wide, break this wide, Letter B this wide, etc.

Wild flower seed is more forgiving to lousy soil, but at a min bring fertilizer and ideally soil. It may not come off at all without soil. Find out what you are working with and go from there.

Great idea, but you really need to think this out, plan and research if it's going to come off.

-t

ps: dress appropriately, both for camouflage, but also because you can get hypothermia in the dessert at night in the middle of summer.
 
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If someone owns a hillside or mountain visible from the highway or railway.How about a Ron Paul chalk face? You could model it on that halloween pumpkin of Ron Paul as that actually looked like him.It would be costly but actually a fitting tribute to the statesmanship and true political scale of his contribution.Ron Paul has had more impact on the political life of America than most Presidents even before becoming one.Like chalk horses or 'the rude man of Cerne' in this country,these chalk images are timeless and pull at the heart somehow.
 
I also want to say that some people have been mentioning crop circles. Its a cool idea and they even look cool but crops are the livelihood of many people. I hope no one destroys a farmers crop in Pauls name or even there own.

If you where a farmer and someone stomped a portion of your crop into the ground it would be the same as them taking a portion of your money and burning it. Please no crop circles people.

I agree without the farmers permission - though the loss would be minor.

Ad agencies have made them with the farmers permission, and we could too. The cost of the lost crops is minor, and the low compensation we could provide would be a net gain over what he would get for harvesting that crop and selling it. These never destroy a whole field, just a minor portion of it, and they can harvest the rest.

From an environmental standpoint, it gives a portion of the field a rest and fertilizes it, which is a net gain for the field.

Crop circles are cool! - consider doing them! But always with the farmers permission.

-t
 
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I think it could be a good idea but timing and choice of plant would be key. I work at nursery and I can guarantee

1. most flowers arent going to grow uniformly enough to make the sign legible

2. tulips will but they wont last long, youd have to inform the media and get them to cover it in a window of a few days

3. tulips are not deer food, but they are fragile and have been selectively bred for fenced in garden plots in Germany and the Netherlands not the open hills of the American West. One deer strolling across your sign could ruin it.

4. Squirrels LOVE tulip bulbs, so if you've got any kind of rodent population be prepared for that. I've vacationed and been hunting in Idaho before and seen weasels, I wonder if they'd be a problem.

Im not trying to tell you how to spend your money or that its a dumb idea, just warn you about potential problems, growing selectively bred, highly domesticated plants in wild areas is hard enough without trying to spell stuff out. Id say if you can get bulbs for cheap, try it, it would be fun enough digging and drinking beer on the side of a hill at night anyways, and it could turn out nice.
 
So how far away is the interstate? How far away is the town?

You said half the width of a football field - right? For a HS field, split goalpost to sideline, that is 80 feet high, so individual characters would be 80' x 40'

If you are talking goalpost to 50 yard line, that's ~150' high x 75'wide. Makes a huge diff!

Lets go with the first one... For 11 chars, that's 17,600 sq ft. But about half of that is blank. so 8,800 sq ft.

Soil - per 3'x2'x3" bag weighing in at perhaps 40 lbs each and a ~2 per cost, we come up with that covering 24-~50 sq ft each...

For seeds or bulbs, seeds at 1" separation is about 144 per sq ft, or at 2" separation about ~36 per sq ft...

This is all very back of the envelope, but gets us in the ballpark...

I have noticed that those wildflowers that do well in sandy/clay soil are not very bright - so suggests needing nutrients/soil. Those that have those are very bright! I would suggest Red White and Blue colors!

Just as a start... Do the math!

-t
 
Petunias, use petunias, they wont get chomped on by deer, more durable to wandering wildlife, easier to grow, wont get spindley like wildflowers, and will last longer than tulips. Id buy them in flats of red white and blue/purple, theyre annuals so you wouldnt need to stimulate the rootball which slows the pace of planting. Draw out measurements on paper for the letters, outline them with string and stakes, then fill in with petunias. A group could plant a pretty big space in one night, but if its to much do Ron the first night and Paul the next. Id throw down on some Petunia flats come next may.
 
Apparently larch trees work well in pine forests:
Swastikatree.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_swastika

But ... that would obviously take too long to be effectivce. People could get pretty creative with general pro-liberty messages, symbols, etc that go beyond Ron Paul.
 
OK boys iv been thinking about this and i feel as though im going to go with wild flowers. May put some bulbs in for effect and other things i find fun at the nursery. You will all get to see the pics. I might as well tell you all that im going to use a town letter in the sign.


You know how towns put a big letter on a hill like H for Hollywood or D for dead wood. It was going to be a surprise even for you boys but my town Starts with P.
 
Stop trying to spend this guys money. You have no right to speculate where he decides to spend his cash. Do you people understand what this campaign is about? You must use these principles everywhere all the time or you fail. Political expediency is not a reason to determine where others monies are spent.

Rev9

Actually, libertarian principles don't always apply. They only apply to government. I am going to venture to say that a family running on libertarian principles would not be a very good family. Furthermore, sometimes it's in your best interest to work inside the system. For instance, you have to pay illegal taxes, or else you go to jail. Libertarian principles just don't serve a good purpose in that case.
 
OK boys iv been thinking about this and i feel as though im going to go with wild flowers. May put some bulbs in for effect and other things i find fun at the nursery. You will all get to see the pics. I might as well tell you all that im going to use a town letter in the sign.


You know how towns put a big letter on a hill like H for Hollywood or D for dead wood. It was going to be a surprise even for you boys but my town Starts with P.

Do you think it would be better to just spray paint the message? It would be so much easier and still very visible, I think. Up to you, but I don't know if the flower thing is going to work out.
 
Paint would be the way to go. I just feel it is more destructive in the eyes of the community. I know it would not harm anything. I work in the coatings biz but i feel it would give off a bad vibe to have some one dump paint all over public ground.

Now flowers could not do that.
 
bump?? What happened to this?! I want to see Ron Paul 2012 in flowers on the hillside!
 
I was thinking of how one would do this.
Perhaps you could have a "spotter" with a cell phone and a photo gel (or transparency with the design on it) to instruct you where to put the bulbs?

You would just have to have little markers, and a large white posterboard that could be seen from the road by the spotter. Maybe a tripod to hold the transparency... When the spotter sees the poster board is on a reference point, he tells you to put down a marker. Then, under the cloak of darkness, you plant... Might as well just use the bulbs instead of markers, I guess...

Anyhow, you must have a plan, I just figured I'd think out loud on how to execute such a plan. Sounds like a neat project, cant wait to see what you do.
 
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