HOAX EXPOSED: Full Clip Of Cliven Bundy’s Non-Racist, Pro-Black, Pro-Mexican, Anti-Government

Being against entitlements and agreeing with Bundy is all great, but saying slavery is preferable to anything today is a bullshit claim unless and until a person proves it by living it. I don't dismiss what a person says just because he is or isn't black, but if one is going to make a claim that X is better than Y, i won't take him seriously unless he acts on it.

Way to miss the whole point of what Mr. Bundy said.. Likely from listening to a clip out of context on the MSM Smear Channel.

What he said it that welfare IS slavery.
And the Fed Gov is the slave master.

Try listening to his whole message rather than one sentence taken out of context.

Or don't. (I don't really expect you to seriously learn anything, you are only here to throw shit at the walls)
 
What he said it that welfare IS slavery.
And the Fed Gov is the slave master.

Oh, I thought that was what he said, so I didn't misunderstand him.

If welfare IS slavery, why do no welfare recipients voluntarily become the slaves which were allowed pre-1860?

It's obviously the same thing!

Why do no blacks actually act like slavery is preferable, instead of just saying it like it's a cool talking point?

Here's my offer : I'll research the costs, conditions and other info on slavery pre-1860. I'll take a volunteer to sign a contract to become exactly that, after all, if it's voluntary, it's not illegal. We'll see who wants to be my slave, since welfare is the same as being a slave, being mine can't be worse than being the gubmints, right?

My bet, unless a person is in prison, which I can't help, NOBODY WILL WANT TO BE A SLAVE, EVERYBODY realizes slavery is nothing compared to anything today (except prison).
 
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The difference in servitude is a matter of degree, not principle.

How about I give you a pittance, you vote me the authority to rule over your life, and I take and do with what you own as I so please?

Never mind if there is an actual binding contract. It is well understood that might is all that is needed for 'my' plan to become law.

We'll call it democracy. And I'll herald your living conditions and relative security to all who'll listen.

Hell, with what is stolen most certainly there'd be enough (after the coffers are full), to spend money to indoctrinate the young that they are free and others are unfree. Never question why a third of the year is worked to be 'free' (aside from the plethora of taxes that further drown the average) or teach how a dollar comes into existence.

I'll reiterate. The difference is in degree, not principle.
 
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Oh, I thought that was what he said, so I didn't misunderstand him.

If welfare IS slavery, why do no welfare recipients voluntarily become the slaves which were allowed pre-1860?

It's obviously the same thing!

Why do no blacks actually act like slavery is preferable, instead of just saying it like it's a cool talking point?

Here's my offer : I'll research the costs, conditions and other info on slavery pre-1860. I'll take a volunteer to sign a contract to become exactly that, after all, if it's voluntary, it's not illegal. We'll see who wants to be my slave, since welfare is the same as being a slave, being mine can't be worse than being the gubmints, right?

My bet, unless a person is in prison, which I can't help, NOBODY WILL WANT TO BE A SLAVE, EVERYBODY realizes slavery is nothing compared to anything today (except prison).

I don't really care how you spin it. If you are dependent on the government for your existence you are a slave. All it takes is for them to cut you off/reduce your "entitlements" to realize this.
 
I don't really care how you spin it. If you are dependent on the government for your existence you are a slave. All it takes is for them to cut you off/reduce your "entitlements" to realize this.

dependent on government is hardly the same as being forced to live in a place in chains and threat of violence if you tried to escape.
 
I don't really care how you spin it. If you are dependent on the government for your existence you are a slave. All it takes is for them to cut you off/reduce your "entitlements" to realize this.

A child is dependent on his mother, a paraplegic is dependent on his caregiver, a fetus is dependent on his mother and non of those people are slaves. They are called dependents. Again, it doesnt matter how many African American you show me saying this is true, heck I can show you video of white people saying foolish things about slavery or New Yorkers who were there during the 911 attacks saying no planes hit the world trade center. So the fact that you can find a few outliers confirming something as silly as black people faring better under slavery than the system we have now doesn't make it true.

Like RPB said, if it was better, why are we not seeing some black people going back to slave system of colonial America. They can easily fly to Saudi Arabia where their passports can be taken away from them and then put to work by the Wahhabi people running that country. I know tmot can afford the flight, so let him a pioneer in this new endevour.
 
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I don't really care how you spin it. If you are dependent on the government for your existence you are a slave. All it takes is for them to cut you off/reduce your "entitlements" to realize this.

A child is dependent on his mother, a paraplegic is dependent on his caregiver, a fetus is dependent on his mother and non of those people are slaves. They are called dependents. Again, it doesnt matter how many African American you show me saying this is true, heck I can show you video of white people saying foolish things about slavery or New Yorkers who were there during the 911 attacks saying no planes hit the world trade center. So the fact that you can find a few outliers confirming something as silly as black people faring better under slavery than the system we have now doesn't make it true.

Like RPB said, if it was better, why are we not seeing some black people going back to slave system of colonial America. They can easily fly to Saudi Arabia where their passports can be taken away from them and then put to work by the Wahhabi people running that country. I know tmot can afford the flight, so let him a pioneer in this new endevour.
 


He has a private meeting with Mr Bundy this morning,, He flew into Las Vegas last night.

I will be looking to see if there will be Live Stream of a press conference afterwards.

Press Conference with Georgia U.S. Senate Candidate and Mr. Cliven Bundy

On Sunday, May 4th 2014, Minister Derrick Grayson, U.S. Senate Candidate from the State of Georgia will be meeting in private with Mr. Cliven Bundy.

At 3:30 pm, Mr. Grayson will be holding a press conference with local media to address the issues surrounding The Bundy Family and The Bureau of Land Management. All media outlets are invited and encouraged to attend this press conference.

Mr. Grayson will speak and if Mr. Bundy wishes to address the media, he will do so at such time.

For more information about Minister Derrick Grayson, visit www.Grayson2014.com
 
Oh, I thought that was what he said, so I didn't misunderstand him.

If welfare IS slavery, why do no welfare recipients voluntarily become the slaves which were allowed pre-1860?

It's obviously the same thing!

Why do no blacks actually act like slavery is preferable, instead of just saying it like it's a cool talking point?

Here's my offer : I'll research the costs, conditions and other info on slavery pre-1860. I'll take a volunteer to sign a contract to become exactly that, after all, if it's voluntary, it's not illegal. We'll see who wants to be my slave, since welfare is the same as being a slave, being mine can't be worse than being the gubmints, right?

My bet, unless a person is in prison, which I can't help, NOBODY WILL WANT TO BE A SLAVE, EVERYBODY realizes slavery is nothing compared to anything today (except prison).


This is the most ignorant thing I have heard on this entire subject. Did you not hear the guy in the first video explain this?

Trading one type of shackle for the other. Today's welfare slaves are shackled to their mail box waiting for a check on the 1st and 15th.

The big huge problem that you completely FAIL to comprehend is lack of freedom. It doesn't matter what is between you and freedom. It can be a physical chain keeping you from reaching that point. And yeah that is awful. It can also be a mental chain that is keeping you from reaching that point.

What is worse? Sure the physical scars are painful and miserable. But you know what? So are the mental scars. I would argue that the mental scars are 10x's worse than the physical scars. Physical scars are not passed from generation to generation.

CLEARLY the mental scars ARE. Physical slavery is one manifestation of slavery defined as...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slavery

1. drudgery, toil (drudgery - dull, irksome, and fatiguing work : uninspiring or menial labor), (toil - long strenuous fatiguing labor)

What does the black labor force look like?

http://blackdemographics.com/economics/employment/

Blacks are over represented in GOVERNMENT sector jobs and under represented in self-employed jobs. Make of that what you will, but it seems to me that many blacks are stuck in drudgery and toil UNDER the "government".

2. submission to a dominating influence

I think it is pretty clear that based on prison population demographics that blacks are more likely to be forced into submission and are being dominated by "anti-drug" aka anti-poverty laws.

3a. the state of a person who is a chattel of another

This is arguable as well. When a city decides to relocate "the projects" entire lives are uprooted. I suppose there is no physical title of ownership, but there certainly are documents giving the ruling class carte blance control over ANYONE living in such conditions to treat like pawns. This of course is not just limited to blacks, but again we have disproportionate numbers of blacks on welfare.

I must ask, since it is not physical chains keeping those blacks from becoming gainfully employed, self-employed, employed by private industry, out of jail for non-violence, off of welfare, out of violent gangs, off drugs, out of abortion clinics etc etc... all of which are manifestations lack of freedom aka slavery, what kind of chains are they?

They are mental chains. What is worse? A chain that can be physical separated from the body and once cast off leaves a physical scar even while granting freedom? OR

Mental chains which can invisibly bind, are passed down from generation to generation UNDETECTED, can not be easily removed, become embedded as part of an accepted and CELEBRATED cultural paradigm?

Apparently, for the slave, mental chains are preferred (the matrix) over physical chains because of the seemingly unbearable and physically painful nature.

Make no mistake however for the master mental chains are preferred (welfare) as they are much cheaper to maintain, last longer, provide COMPLETE control over both physical and mental (total lack of freedom AND no hope for such), and best of all EMBRACED and passed thru generation by the captives.

So I have to ask, which would you prefer? Freedom or complete lack of physical pain? That is the real question. It really boils down to what a person believes freedom is.

I would argue that anything less than 100% freedom in both physical and mental is TOTAL slavery. I would also argue that casting of physical restraint is MUCH easier than casting of mental restraint.

One thing that marks the black community in my mind is their SPIRITUAL freedom. This is something that is definitely celebrated in the black community and should be celebrated in ALL communities. Blacks who did endure physical chains were able to keep their hopes alive by taping in to their spiritual selves. This in many ways is the overcoming of any mental restraints.

I believe the ruling class has learned to make chains to bind even the spiritual self. No longer is it necessary to physically break a man to gain compliance. No longer do crude physical chains and punishment serve as the easiest, cheapest and best way to reign in a mans instinct to be free.

Slavery has simply taken on another more sinister and ruthless form. We'd all be wise to learn from the black man on how to endure such conditions as being stripped of our freedom.

We must protect our mental and spiritual freedom at all cost. We must recognize when our freedom is being suppressed in the mind before we can even hope to win the physical battle for our freedom.

This is the lesson here that Cliven Bundy has learned, this is what he has observed.

It is unacceptable for anyone to attempt to distort that based on the chains wrapped around their own minds.
 
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This is the most ignorant thing I have heard on this entire subject. Did you not hear the guy in the first video explain this?

Trading one type of shackle for the other. Today's welfare slaves are shackled to their mail box waiting for a check on the 1st and 15th.

Yeah, because it's illegal to not take the check, right? Stopping giving them checks will give them 'FREEDOM', right? Let me go steal their check and free them from this shackle...wtf!

The big huge problem that you completely FAIL to comprehend is lack of freedom. It doesn't matter what is between you and freedom. It can be a physical chain keeping you from reaching that point. And yeah that is awful. It can also be a mental chain that is keeping you from reaching that point.

The fact you are comparing a mental chain to a metal chain is exactly the bone I am picking. I will be happy to put a metal chain on anybody who claims is mental chain is equally bad or worse. If it's in fact no worse on a metal chain, I challenge anybody to volunteer as my slave.

What is worse? Sure the physical scars are painful and miserable. But you know what? So are the mental scars. I would argue that the mental scars are 10x's worse than the physical scars. Physical scars are not passed from generation to generation.

Again, you can argue all you want, I'll take it seriously when somebody volunteers it. How many physical scars and whips will you take if I can guarantee your child will never get welfare checks?

CLEARLY the mental scars ARE. Physical slavery is one manifestation of slavery defined as...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slavery

1. drudgery, toil (drudgery - dull, irksome, and fatiguing work : uninspiring or menial labor), (toil - long strenuous fatiguing labor)

What does the black labor force look like?

http://blackdemographics.com/economics/employment/

Blacks are over represented in GOVERNMENT sector jobs and under represented in self-employed jobs. Make of that what you will, but it seems to me that many blacks are stuck in drudgery and toil UNDER the "government".

2. submission to a dominating influence

I think it is pretty clear that based on prison population demographics that blacks are more likely to be forced into submission and are being dominated by "anti-drug" aka anti-poverty laws.

3a. the state of a person who is a chattel of another

This is arguable as well. When a city decides to relocate "the projects" entire lives are uprooted. I suppose there is no physical title of ownership, but there certainly are documents giving the ruling class carte blance control over ANYONE living in such conditions to treat like pawns. This of course is not just limited to blacks, but again we have disproportionate numbers of blacks on welfare.

I must ask, since it is not physical chains keeping those blacks from becoming gainfully employed, self-employed, employed by private industry, out of jail for non-violence, off of welfare, out of violent gangs, off drugs, out of abortion clinics etc etc... all of which are manifestations lack of freedom aka slavery, what kind of chains are they?

Do you consider that perhaps they are simply genetically disabled or victims of racism other than state instituted? It's either the fault of the government or the fault of the government, it can't be the fault of themselves or their other surroundings, right?


They are mental chains. What is worse? A chain that can be physical separated from the body and once cast off leaves a physical scar even while granting freedom? OR

Mental chains which can invisibly bind, are passed down from generation to generation UNDETECTED, can not be easily removed, become embedded as part of an accepted and CELEBRATED cultural paradigm?

Apparently, for the slave, mental chains are preferred (the matrix) over physical chains because of the seemingly unbearable and physically painful nature.

Make no mistake however for the master mental chains are preferred (welfare) as they are much cheaper to maintain, last longer, provide COMPLETE control over both physical and mental (total lack of freedom AND no hope for such), and best of all EMBRACED and passed thru generation by the captives.

So I have to ask, which would you prefer? Freedom or complete lack of physical pain? That is the real question. It really boils down to what a person believes freedom is.

I would argue that anything less than 100% freedom in both physical and mental is TOTAL slavery. I would also argue that casting of physical restraint is MUCH easier than casting of mental restraint.

One thing that marks the black community in my mind is their SPIRITUAL freedom. This is something that is definitely celebrated in the black community and should be celebrated in ALL communities. Blacks who did endure physical chains were able to keep their hopes alive by taping in to their spiritual selves. This in many ways is the overcoming of any mental restraints.

I believe the ruling class has learned to make chains to bind even the spiritual self. No longer is it necessary to physically break a man to gain compliance. No longer do crude physical chains and punishment serve as the easiest, cheapest and best way to reign in a mans instinct to be free.

Slavery has simply taken on another more sinister and ruthless form. We'd all be wise to learn from the black man on how to endure such conditions as being stripped of our freedom.

We must protect our mental and spiritual freedom at all cost. We must recognize when our freedom is being suppressed in the mind before we can even hope to win the physical battle for our freedom.

This is the lesson here that Cliven Bundy has learned, this is what he has observed.

It is unacceptable for anyone to attempt to distort that based on the chains wrapped around their own minds.

TLDR, I'll take a person seriously when he/she demonstrates it, talk is easy. I can say waterboarding is not preferable to having an arm cut off, does that mean you have to believe me?
 
So I have to ask, which would you prefer? Freedom or complete lack of physical pain? That is the real question. It really boils down to what a person believes freedom is.

I am open to the possibility that some physical pain may be worth it for some freedom, BUT UNTIL I SEE IT, I WILL NOT CLAIM IT IS TRUE, AND IF I DO, I WILL ACT ON IT. I am also open to the possibility that freedom isn't always the best thing (compared to life, not having pain, not having worries...etc) Being open to being wrong is not the same as saying it's true.
 
what's tmot? the majority of them?

You really are that damn ignorant aren't you.

Fortunately, ignorance can be corrected.

Information to educate,,and correct your ignorance.
TMOT,, stands for "the Minister of Truth" The name used by Derrick Grayson in educational and inspirational Videos.

He is presently running for Office in Ga.

Ignorance can be corrected. Now you know and are no longer ignorant of that.

be warned however,, While ignorance can be corrected,, stupidity is terminal.
 


Now that I actually saw the video, his point is still wrong.

The fact you're encouraged by welfare checks to not live with your spouse, not to mention you still can fraudulently, is HARDLY the same as being forced to live apart with threat of violence. In today's world, a person is ENCOURAGED to not have family, but still have a choice, this is entirely different than being FORCED to not have family and the choice of challenging is likely beating or death.

In slavery, slave owners only kept slaves for as healthy and alive as they needed them for work, at least any smart economic owner would do so. But in welfare, nobody is forced to accept the subsidy, nobody is barred from seeking alternative employment, it's just no comparison. the fact blacks may be stupid enough to be kept in the alleged shackles of welfare does not somehow mean welfare is the same or worse than metal shackles. The conditions today are far better than under slavery, and IF blacks have not improved their lives, I don't blame the government, I blame them, if that makes me racist, so be it. I blame the government for a lot of things, but welfare is at the end of the day, intended as, and ultimately a help, not harm, for the recipient, they are ALWAYS FREE TO TURN IT DOWN. This choice is what makes it day and night compared to anything else forced.
 
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Yeah, because it's illegal to not take the check, right? Stopping giving them checks will give them 'FREEDOM', right? Let me go steal their check and free them from this shackle...wtf!

Let's see here, a check is physical and you think removing the check removes the mental chain. I can see why you are confused.

The fact you are comparing a mental chain to a metal chain is exactly the bone I am picking. I will be happy to put a metal chain on anybody who claims is mental chain is equally bad or worse. If it's in fact no worse on a metal chain, I challenge anybody to volunteer as my slave.

There is a reason why your challenge fails on it's face. Before you can have someone voluntarily be your slave, you would need to involuntarily enslave their mind. Otherwise, you know that any mentally free person is going to reject your challenge. This doesn't prove your point. It proves mine. The fact that no one is willing to physically put themselves into slavery shows that physical chains have no power over mentally free people.

Again, you can argue all you want, I'll take it seriously when somebody volunteers it. How many physical scars and whips will you take if I can guarantee your child will never get welfare checks?

In fact, I think what you are demonstrating here is that you are voluntarily placing mental restraints on yourself. You are not arguing, you are ignoring. Ignorance is a HUGE link in the mental restraints that the ruling class use to attempt to arrest free minds. Now the second part of what you just said is somewhat interesting, but you are still stuck on the idea that something physical is doing the binding. It's not the check I'm concerned about, it's the assault on my child's spirit and mind. I believe I can handle making sure my child doesn't get welfare checks.


Do you consider that perhaps they are simply genetically disabled or victims of racism other than state instituted? It's either the fault of the government or the fault of the government, it can't be the fault of themselves or their other surroundings, right?

Yes, I do consider this. It doesn't change anything. In fact folk with disabilities are even more at risk of mental slavery from the ruling class. You again help my point along. The government offers to lighten the burden of those NATURAL physical chains at the cost of placing mental chains. This is not the role of government but it does sound like where you got the idea for someone to voluntarily bind themselves with chains YOU provide. Except you got it backwards, but you do have the concept worked out.

TLDR, I'll take a person seriously when he/she demonstrates it, talk is easy. I can say waterboarding is not preferable to having an arm cut off, does that mean you have to believe me?

And your chains are now exposed. If you are unwilling to read my response in it's entirety, then why you bother to craft a response of your own? You see, I think you did read, you just took the lazy, ignorant approach to responding. You claim you didn't read and then go right back to the same ignorant point that I originally responded to.

You aren't truly free until you can break out of that ignorant state of mind. You have to ask yourself, where did those chains come from if you did not place them on yourself? I surely didn't put them there.
 
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I am open to the possibility that some physical pain may be worth it for some freedom, BUT UNTIL I SEE IT, I WILL NOT CLAIM IT IS TRUE, AND IF I DO, I WILL ACT ON IT. I am also open to the possibility that freedom isn't always the best thing (compared to life, not having pain, not having worries...etc) Being open to being wrong is not the same as saying it's true.

See, let me explain where you are confused and where you need to cast off whatever it is that you were taught, cause it was a lie.

There is no such thing as....

SOME freedom.

There is

FREEDOM...

and there is

NO freedom.

SOME freedom is NO freedom.

Whoever taught you about freedom passed on the mental chains. Who is your master, and how would you know if you didn't even know your were bound? Would it matter to you? Why would it matter who your master is? Why would it matter if you were a slave?

Sure some folks are happy with their slave lives. Remember, slavery is not the absence of happiness, pain, and worries. Slavery is the absence of freedom.
 
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I don't really care how you spin it. If you are dependent on the government for your existence you are a slave. All it takes is for them to cut you off/reduce your "entitlements" to realize this.

Are they really dependent on government or are they the masters of the government? For who's benefit is government operating?
 
Are they really dependent on government or are they the masters of the government? For who's benefit is government operating?


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