Help Mail 40,000+ Rand Paul Super Brochures and Stickers

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Hey Curt, how about fill in these blanks:

Flyer printing cost:
Bumper sticker printing cost:
Perceived value of having your website on 40,000 pieces of mail:
Envelope stuffing cost:
Postage cost:
Other costs (explain):
Expected profit:
 
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This dude is making money on this. But even worse it doesn't help Rand at all. It could even hurt him.
 
Watch the Profiles

I hope everyone watches the profiles of the people who attack the Super Brochure. Write the names down. There won't be very many and with the same message to create doubt. Understand that these people are against a large number of people on this forum being sent a Super Brochure and a Bumper Sticker at no cost to them. Just a group of people and myself saying "Thank you" and hope you support Rand Paul like you did Ron Paul.

The cost is $1.29. What it takes to do this isn't easy. People on here say "40,000 brochures". What does that look like? What about 40,000 bumper stickers? Can you carry it? Can you put it in your car? The list of expenses is extremely long and have a very large range depending on a number of factors. At the peak, we will be paying hundreds of people to do some kind of job. Going to a web site and copying numbers that may have nothing to do with the topic is useless.

What bothers me the most about these recent posts is that they talk about "Profit". RonPaulProducts.com was created in 2012 out of the very best vendors in 2008. Many were my friends. The others were people I called up and asked them what they were doing in 2012. They said they lost to much money. Every vendor I know lost money in 2008. One lost over $30,000. We handed out thousands of his shirts for free at the D.C. event. All a total bust for this guy. Another lost $15,000. Had a whole warehouse of 2008 signs. Then in 2012, I see all these different people who could have lost a lot of money. Yet, I don't see these posters concern. They don't ask if the Ron Paul chocolate guys made money. What about the Calendar girls? What about Debbie and Gigi on their Festival? Are they writing checks to help?

I want to mail 40,000+ a Super Brochure and Bumper Sticker. The price is $1.29. You either want to help or don't.

Here is a whole thread on the thousands I sent out in 2011. Read these people's reactions:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...UPER-BROCHURE-IN-NY-TODAY!-WHO-S-CURT-FROM-FL

Super Brochures boxed, sorted, tabbed, and ready to mail:
http://i.imgur.com/wseKo.jpg

In Liberty,

Curt
941-896-7770
 
It would almost be better to just take a list of polls that Rand has beaten or looked the most competitive against Hillary and send those to Republican households to maintain a reputation as the most likely GOP candidate to beat Hillary in a general election, while also highlighting how Rand does the best with independent and young voters. Republicans will never say no to an "electable" candidate if you paint him with the right brush. At least that way you can get GOP support without getting dirty into the issues. Always make it about the other party, that always creates an air of unity.
 
Not this again.

Please don't. There is no Rand Paul for president campaign. So you have no idea what said campaign's official positions might be. Therefore you risk publishing something that might prove contrary to one of those positions in an awfully official looking brochure.

Believe me, the gotcha media would eat that up. Campaign managers don't dream of this, they dread it.

Also, this is a for profit business promoting this. Nothing wrong with that, but the fact isn't presented clearly.
 
Yet, I don't see these posters concern.

T-shirts, Yard signs, and chocolates don't have the potential to turn off prospective voters or step on a campaign's message.

You want to promote liberty and make money at the same time. That is admirable. Kudos to you.

If these are just sent to Ron Paul voters, there will probably be little harm. However, if they are sent to a broader audience, the results are unpredictable. It's like trying to swat flies with a sledgehammer. You may get a couple, but you'll be doing damage, too.

Anyway, I don't really have a bone to pick. I'd like the brochures to stay away from anything controversial. That includes foreign policy. It also includes the Fed, unfortunately. And you should REALLY reconsider making comparisons to other GOP candidates. If Rand is going to win those people over, it won't be because we belittled their favorite horse. The biggest lesson from 2012 was that our candidate needs to be acceptable. He can be someone's second or third choice, but he has to be acceptable. A "super-brochure" has the potential of making an acceptable candidate, unacceptable.

You see, many of us have limited funds and would like to do the most good with it. You are trying to sell the brochures to us. But we are not the ones we are concerned about. If it were, you would just be asking us to buy the brochure and bumper for ourselves. Instead, you should be trying to sell us on the idea that they would be useful to convert others. But the way they are laid out, suggests that these are "our" issues, not "theirs". The only way to know "their" issue is to research them - and that's what the campaigns do.
 
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Just bought 600 for delivery in Airplane Seat Pockets, Inside Magazines, friends, coworkers, on cars with thoughtful bumper stickers. Love these
 
These so-called Super Brochures are a huge waste of money and time. Campaign spend hundreds of thousands of dollars poll testing messages to find what works the best and won't turn off supporters.

The idea that you would send these to people who are likely to support Rand Paul is another HUGE mistake. Ron Paul supporters are either going to vote for Rand or not vote. There is absolutely NO reason to spend a dime on these folks.

The people that need to be targeted are those who are undecided and can be persuaded. Do you know who cn determine who those people are? The campaign with thousands of volunteers calling and identifying these people.

For Rand's sake, do not waste your money, time, and energy to push this ill-advised idea. It is much better to work directly with the campaign.

This has been my experience in multiple states. These are like sending random people to the Daily Paul website. Sure, we, mostly like the content, but to normal primary voters these may look like a Star Trek convention.
 
NO!

This is a bad idea. Let the campaign handle official communication.



Everything the campaign puts out will be tested with likely voters to attain the best response and to keep a consistent messaging strategy. These brochures above are poorly designed and actually hurt more than they help (brochures like this should be single-issue, not multi-issue).


Besides, last I recall, this was a major money making scheme for those involved last go around.


This project is bad for Rand and should be shunned.
 
NO!

This is a bad idea. Let the campaign handle official communication.


Everything the campaign puts out will be tested with likely voters to attain the best response and to keep a consistent messaging strategy. These brochures above are poorly designed and actually hurt more than they help (brochures like this should be single-issue, not multi-issue).

Besides, last I recall, this was a major money making scheme for those involved last go around.

This project is bad for Rand and should be shunned.
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Hey, OP don't you know you can't horn in on Saber's profit generating centers? ONLY "official campaign" is allowed to profit from direct mail related to campaigning! Get it? Got it? Good! Collins has set you straight. You're welcome.

Having said that, let's at least wait until there's actually a declared campaign and at least some level of dissemination of what Rand's platform will be. The brochures were a negative last go round by most estimates but I don't think the idea is terrible overall. Needs to be a little more coordinated with the campaign platform and I think allowing grassroots to target distribution, since it is a grassroots project, is a better plan than mass mailing to people we already know will likely support Rand. Just my .02 though.
 
I'm pretty sure I mentioned this in another thread but it would be nice if this mass mailing campaign doesn't get too political. To generate favorability with the least amount of unfavorable attention would be to focus the piece on Rand as a doctor as a family man, his trips to other countries to help restore people's sight. Sending out blanket pieces on all of Rand's political positions would win some votes but could equally lose as many.

I don't know how scientific the guys who are printing these pieces are but the only voting group that would even consider reading a piece so wordy and complicated are for the most part older super voters, so whatever money you guys raise, I would suggest that you don't even bother sending it to anyone else, its a waste of postage money.
 
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This has been my experience in multiple states. These are like sending random people to the Daily Paul website. Sure, we, mostly like the content, but to normal primary voters these may look like a Star Trek convention.

All this says to me is that you're scared people are going to learn your candidate's real positions. If you're building a candidacy on such a weak foundation that a simple brochure can derail them, how strong was that candidacy to begin with? Seems rather silly to me. Voters aren't as inept as you think and some of the criticism of the brochures seems incredibly arrogant to me. Do you want Rand's positions explained by his followers or defined by his critics? I guarantee there's a slew of misinformation out there already. Approximately 90% of what I did to sell Ron to voters was correct misinformation; and there was a mountain of it. What Ron needed to win last go around was someone or something to explain his positions better. Something to give more of the background information on where he was coming from and how he arrived at the positions he did. The brochures were a great educational tool for this. If anything, they made Ron appear less crazy, especially on monetary issues with that huge debt chart and the image showing the loss in purchasing power of the dollar since creation of the Fed. Suddenly, Ron's positions made much more sense.

Comparing a brochure to a Star Trek convention is idiotic. People in Iowa are used to getting this type of stuff every election cycle and are a lot more savvy than you think. Your comment shows you know next to nothing of voters in Iowa.

"We watermark the Super Brochures because a group used a Super Brochure with a promise to mail a DVD. They raised over $100,000 and didn't do either. They "bait and switched". At least one person on this thread who is attacking the Super Brochure was paid thousands of dollars by these liars."

Pretty sure this comment refers to you.
 
Curt's partner from 2008 was too aggressive and was wrong about posting a few things. I hope he is not working on this project. I get plenty of mailers as I'm on just about every list and Rick Perry had the best one I have seen as it had a nice presentation versus issues. I have made purchases from Curt but have yet to get one of these to decide for myself.

Curt I would much prefer if you made an effort to focus on getting these to activists in the states following Nevada as the campaign is working hard in the first four states.
These should be going to activists and working on getting them super voter lists in their areas.

Right here is the Super Tuesday states that Rand is likely to have a decline in his performance and risks a Cruz or alternative Conservative emerging. That's why the focus should be getting boxes of these into activists that don't want to phone from home but will distribute in their states.

Alabama
Arkansas
Colorado caucuses
Georgia
Massachusetts
Minnesota caucuses
North Carolina
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Texas
Vermont
Virginia
 
This shit again. The last thing you want to do if you are trying to win an election is start listing off a candidate's positions without learning what that audience cares about. As soon as a non-supporter reads ONE thing in the list he doesn't like, you've lost him.
 
i donated to superbrochures in 2012, but this time around, i agree with the people saying this will likely HURT the campaign, rather than help

most people only care about 1-2 issues and we'll be paying money to feed them several points with which they will not agree

I think in 2012, it was somewhat useful to raise Ron's profile, as he was not really known due to media blackout or mischaracterization, but Rand will not have that issue.

Rand's goal will be to attract certain targeted voters and sending them a brochure that can potentially turn those people away is counterproductive.

Let the campaign worry about sending the right message to the right people! Isn't it the big strategy? The people that will be enticed by all those positions in the brochure are likely up to date on Rand anyway were likely going to vote for him anyway
 
an alternative would be to create a brochure that focuses solely on Foreign Policy, blowback, and explain Rand's positions on ISIS, Iraq, Syria, national defense, etc...

I think this issue turns many voters that would otherwise be salivating over Rand and will help combat the disinformation spread by Fox, and MSM, and other hawks
 
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