Health bill disaster

[dude58677]

Next step, replacing Trump.

If you thought this was bad, wait for the debt ceiling fight in a few months.

...FYI, freedom caucus IS NOT going to be folding to the Dem-In-Chief on that either.

If that happens we get a government shutdown which is good either way.

 

[UWDude]

Funnily, I don't see the disaster.
Yes, Obamacare still exists, now it is time to just abolish it.
Two years from now, GOP victory.
As the bills rise exponentially, the people will cry for a change.
America is too sick for socialized medicine to ever work on it. Drugs and obesity.

 

[kpitcher]

They're going on to easier topics that everyone can agree on.

Y'know, like tax reform. Should be a snap to do.

Rand had a good idea on tax reform, hope he leads on that like he did with healthcare.

 

[UWDude]

Rand had a good idea on tax reform, hope he leads on that like he did with healthcare.

Im just fine with Trumps plan, it is quite detailed, and I like it just fine.

I like the idea of poor people sending the IRS a tax return that says "I win".

 

[CPUd]

‘The closer’? The inside story of how Trump tried — and failed — to make a deal on health care
By Robert Costa, Ashley Parker and Philip Rucker March 24 at 9:19 PM


Shortly after House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) unveiled the Republican health-care plan on March 6, President Trump sat in the Oval Office and queried his advisers: “Is this really a good bill?”

And over the next 18 days, until the bill collapsed in the House on Friday afternoon in a humiliating defeat — the sharpest rebuke yet of Trump’s young presidency and his negotiating skills — the question continued to nag at the president.

Even as he thrust himself and the trappings of his office into selling the health-care bill, Trump peppered his aides again and again with the same concern, usually after watching cable news reports chronicling the setbacks, according to two of his advisers: “Is this really a good bill?”

In the end, the answer was no — in part because the president himself seemed to doubt it.

“We were a little bit shy — very little, but it was still a little bit shy, so we pulled it,” Trump said Friday afternoon in an interview with The Washington Post.

For Trump, it was never supposed to be this hard. As a real estate mogul on the rise, he wrote “The Art of the Deal,” and as a political candidate, he boasted that nobody could make deals as beautifully as he could. Replacing Obamacare, a Republican bogeyman since the day it was enacted seven years ago, was Trump’s first chance to prove that he had the magic touch that he claimed eluded Washington.

[Balz: A postponed health-care vote, a big GOP embarrassment and no good options ahead]

But Trump’s effort was plagued from the beginning. The bill itself would have violated a number of Trump’s campaign promises, driving up premiums for millions of citizens and throwing millions more off health insurance — including many of the working-class voters who gravitated to his call to “make America great again.” Trump was unsure about the American Health Care Act, though he ultimately dug in for the win, as he put it.

There were other problems, too. Trump never made a real effort to reach out to Democrats, and he was unable to pressure enough of his fellow Republicans. He did not speak fluently about the bill’s details and focused his pitch in purely transactional terms. And he failed to appreciate the importance of replacing Obamacare to the Republican base; for the president, it was an obstacle to move past to get to taxes, trade and the rest of his agenda.

Trump’s advisers thought he could nudge the bill over the finish line by sheer force of personality. “He is the closer,” White House press secretary Sean Spicer boasted on Wednesday.

But by Friday, it was clear that the closer could not close.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...6353d6-0fdc-11e7-9d5a-a83e627dc120_story.html

 

[Origanalist]

 

[Noob]

Yes Democrats well use this as means to get a signal payer system pass, complete Government bureaucratic control over your healthcare.

 

[Dr.No.]

They're going on to easier topics that everyone can agree on.

Y'know, like tax reform. Should be a snap to do.

It really should be. Everyone is on board for tax reform. The donors, who back both parties, heavily favor it.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Loose lips sink ships. You're a looser. Way to blow it.

You sure are putting a lot of relevance to this little forum. It just ain't anymore.

 

[phill4paul]

You sure are putting a lot of relevance to this little forum. It just ain't anymore.

As much as you do. <shrug>

 

[LibertyEagle]

Next step, replacing Trump.

If you thought this was bad, wait for the debt ceiling fight in a few months.

...FYI, freedom caucus IS NOT going to be folding to the Dem-In-Chief on that either.

Yes, yes, we all know you want world government, but sorry, there are a whole lot of us who are not going to go along with that.

 

[angelatc]

Rand disagrees, and so do I. Even from a pragmatist standpoint this bill was too rotten.

Do not misunderstand me, my friend. I wanted the bill to fail. If the GOP can't be conservative then I'd rather be a roadblock than a speed bump.

 

[Superfluous Man]

Yes Democrats well use this as means to get a signal payer system pass, complete Government bureaucratic control over your healthcare.

And that's what Trump wants.

 

[Superfluous Man]

Most of quotes you posted from Revolution3.0 are weird at best. I'll give you that. But your decision to include his question of why he should prefer you to a Mexican alongside those others says more about you than it does him.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Most of quotes you posted from Revolution3.0 are weird at best. I'll give you that. But your decision to include his question of why he should prefer you to a Mexican alongside those others says more about you than it does him.

He's a globalist, who prefers Mexican nationals to his own countrymen, in the United States.

 

[TheCount]

It really should be. Everyone is on board for tax reform. The donors, who back both parties, heavily favor it.

Everyone is also for health care reform.

Everyone agrees that it should happen but nobody agrees on how.

 

[Dr.No.]

Everyone is also for health care reform.

Everyone agrees that it should happen but nobody agrees on how.

Not sure I agree. The liberals/left wants more government involvement in healthcare. The center/center-right wants some government involvement but not too much. The right/far-right wants very little government involvement in healthcare. There is money behind all three parts, especially the center and the right. The voters tend to heavily support the far-left and the center, and while money is important, politicians are wary of angry voters.

When it comes to taxes, the entire Republican party is united behind lower taxes. The only point of contention would be that some Republicans want to cut taxes on the rich and raise them on the middle-class to maintain the deficit; this is very toxic to voters so some Republicans in weaker districts will protest, as will many Democrats. The blue-dog Democrats are equally eager to cut taxes on the rich, as long as taxes on the middle class are not raised. But there is pretty much no money behind the "raise taxes" wing; taxes are raised because politicians are forced to be fiscally responsible, not because special interests or voters forced them to. For the most part, all the big donors want drastic cuts in taxes. As long as everyone gets a cut, voters will generally go along with it.

 

[givemeliberty2010]

It would have replaced the government penalty with a penalty paid to the insurance companies. It didn't include any free market reforms or anything that would help lower the costs, in fact costs would have kept increasing.

Insurance companies choosing their own prices is part of the free market, not a penalty. I also surprised this bill did no include free market reforms, but not getting all of what we want is not a reason to oppose repealing some of what we don't. As Rand Paul said, no everything has to be done in the same bill. We could still have tried to get a free-market bill through later. Can you expect free market reforms when Trump goes to the moderate Democrats to make some tweaks to the current law?

 

[nobody's_hero]

Insurance companies choosing their own prices is part of the free market, not a penalty. I also surprised this bill did no include free market reforms, but not getting all of what we want is not a reason to oppose repealing some of what we don't. As Rand Paul said, no everything has to be done in the same bill. We could still have tried to get a free-market bill through later. Can you expect free market reforms when Trump goes to the moderate Democrats to make some tweaks to the current law?

The blame still rests with democrats as long as O-care is in place. If Republicans pass a bill that is equally bad or perhaps even worse than the current Obamacare crap, then the burden of blame shifts to them for giving us a crappy system.

I don't think any Republican, moderate or Freedom Caucus member, wants that.

The only thing worse than a fully socialist, government-run program is one that puts just enough hint of capitalist characteristics in it that in the event that it fails (which it will because gov't will get the final say in that partnership), capitalism gets blamed. That's essentially what Paul Ryan was going for last week.

I think perhaps you had your hopes too high that this was going to be a simple matter. Don't forget that by and large, Republicans govern like republicans. It's the democrats who move swiftly because as soon as 51% of them agree, they bring out the battering ram and push things through, consequences-be-damned.

 

[Madison320]

It would have repealed the worst part of the ACA: the employer mandate. It would have also repealed the individual mandate and weakened the essential health care benefits regulations.

That's not the worst part. The worst part is that it forces insurance companies to insure people who are already sick. That's basically socialized healthcare. If they don't remove that part it's a joke.