Health bill disaster

[Superfluous Man]

No it will simply explode. Dumps EO made the Insurance line on the IRS form voluntary. 0 Chance even he would increase the penalty.

That EO was based on the assumption that the law was soon to be altered. Now that that isn't true any more, don't expect that EO to last into future tax filing deadlines.

You may be right that he would rather see Obamacare make a complete death spiral (I certainly would). But while that goes on, it will make Trump extremely unpopular across party lines. I doubt that's his preference.

 

[Swordsmyth]

That EO was based on the assumption that the law was soon to be altered. Now that that isn't true any more, don't expect that EO to last into future tax filing deadlines.

You may be right that he would rather see Obamacare make a complete death spiral (I certainly would). But while that goes on, it will make Trump extremely unpopular across party lines. I doubt that's his preference.

Dems already call him the Devil incarnate, he can't afford to make Repubs angry, and everyone will be mad if the penalty is raised and enforced.

 

[Jan2017]

Though it may get modified (and some of it certainly needs to be), Obamacare is here to stay it seems.

Ryan bluff that it had to be "repeal and replace" tricked Trump - that is why he has to go as Speaker.

Breitbart floats replacing Ryan as House Speaker after colossal Trumpcare fail

“Republican officials in Congress and the White House are now openly discussing finding a GOP replacement to Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) as
Speaker of the House, after Ryan failed to pass the American Health Care Act out of the House and misled the public and President Donald Trump
when he promised repeatedly the bill would pass”.

The split between the House Freedom Caucus and the Tuesday Group (moderates) proved difficult to manage for former Speaker John Boehner.
Last week, Boehner said that in 25 years he never was able to see Republicans agree on a health care plan and that
the GOP would never pass a repeal and replace. The same problem surfaced Friday for Ryan.
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/st...-house-speaker-after-colossal-trumpcare-fail/

 

[inthehall]

You can't trust any of them. Just more fucking government shoved down your throats. More bankers and insurance companies controlling your life. More crony capitalism. More politicians out of touch. Fuck them all.

 

[Superfluous Man]

Dems already call him the Devil incarnate, he can't afford to make Repubs angry, and everyone will be mad if the penalty is raised and enforced.

Yes, everyone will be mad if the penalty is raised and enforced. But they'll be even more mad when insurance companies drop like dead flies and prices go up more than anyone can afford, at rates far greater than the penalty.

 

[eleganz]

Ryan bluff that it had to be "repeal and replace" tricked Trump - that is why he has to go as Speaker.

Breitbart floats replacing Ryan as House Speaker after colossal Trumpcare fail
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“Republican officials in Congress and the White House are now openly discussing finding a GOP replacement to Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) as
Speaker of the House, after Ryan failed to pass the American Health Care Act out of the House and misled the public and President Donald Trump
when he promised repeatedly the bill would pass”.
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[FONT=&]The split between the House Freedom Caucus and the Tuesday Group (moderates) proved difficult to manage for former Speaker John Boehner.
Last week, Boehner said that in 25 years he never was able to see Republicans agree on a health care plan and that
the GOP would never pass a repeal and replace. The same problem surfaced Friday for Ryan.
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/st...-house-speaker-after-colossal-trumpcare-fail/

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Its been pure entertainment ever since Eric Cantor got kicked in the balls by Dave Brat

 

[rpfocus]

TRUMPCARE FAILS! WHAT A SUPRISE!

 

[givemeliberty2010]

It does NOTHING positive.

It would have repealed the worst part of the ACA: the employer mandate. It would have also repealed the individual mandate and weakened the essential health care benefits regulations.

 

[givemeliberty2010]

AHCA would make the insurance companies too big to fail.

Please explain.

?????
This bill gave us NOTHING of real value.

Don't you value getting rid of the employer mandate?

 

[givemeliberty2010]

Ryan bluff that it had to be "repeal and replace" tricked Trump - that is why he has to go as Speaker.

Breitbart floats replacing Ryan as House Speaker after colossal Trumpcare fail
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“Republican officials in Congress and the White House are now openly discussing finding a GOP replacement to Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) as
Speaker of the House, after Ryan failed to pass the American Health Care Act out of the House and misled the public and President Donald Trump
when he promised repeatedly the bill would pass”.
[/FONT]
[FONT=&]The split between the House Freedom Caucus and the Tuesday Group (moderates) proved difficult to manage for former Speaker John Boehner.
Last week, Boehner said that in 25 years he never was able to see Republicans agree on a health care plan and that
the GOP would never pass a repeal and replace. The same problem surfaced Friday for Ryan.
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/st...-house-speaker-after-colossal-trumpcare-fail/

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"Repeal and replace" was more Rand Paul's priority than it was Paul Ryan, except Rand Paul wanted to do these in separate bills.

 

[dannno]

It would have repealed the worst part of the ACA: the employer mandate. It would have also repealed the individual mandate and weakened the essential health care benefits regulations.

It would have replaced the government penalty with a penalty paid to the insurance companies. It didn't include any free market reforms or anything that would help lower the costs, in fact costs would have kept increasing.

 

[Anti Federalist]

No it will simply explode. Dumps EO made the Insurance line on the IRS form voluntary. 0 Chance even he would increase the penalty.

Since there are still people doing taxes and maybe waiting for how this is all going to flesh out, keep something in mind:

The EO making the line asking if you were covered by health insurance voluntary on a return DOES NOT ABSOLVE YOU OF PAYING ANY FINES OR FEES.

Regardless of how you answer, or do not answer at all, you are still on the hook for ObamaCare fines if you did not have coverage for any part of 2016.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Worthless, feckless, spineless GOP establishment.

PASS THE SAME FUCKING BILL YOU PASSED IN 2015 YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES!!!!

 

[CPUd]

https://twitter.com/NAChristakis/status/845380969041399808

 

[Anti Federalist]

The IRS notes that taxpayers are still required to pay the mandate penalty, if applicable. "Legislative provisions of the ACA law are still in force until changed by the Congress, and taxpayers remain required to follow the law and pay what they may owe‎," the agency statement said.

http://reason.com/blog/2017/02/14/irs-blow-to-obamacare-individual-mandate

 

[CPUd]

yeah, when it comes time to pay for that trillion dollar infrastructure, IRS is gonna get retroactive on that penalty shit.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

What are you talking about?

This whole thing was just a setup by Trump to get Paul Ryan ousted.

Once Paul Ryan is gone, we can look to getting a bill with some real free market reforms.

I think there is a possibility you are correct, but I wouldn't jump the gun so fast. For all we know, he could just as easily go after the Freedom Caucus members next year with primary elections. Trump is a wildcard.

 

[CPUd]

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/845476009931685888

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Next step, replacing Trump.

If you thought this was bad, wait for the debt ceiling fight in a few months.

...FYI, freedom caucus IS NOT going to be folding to the Dem-In-Chief on that either.

 

[dude58677]

As long as Donald Trump says he is still pursuing this repeal then the Executive Order stands which says it is voluntary.