Health bill disaster

[Jan2017]

I agree. But Trump won't sign that unless we can somehow trick him or pressure him into it against his will.

I don't see that at all.

Trump would sign into law - he won't veto - any Obamacare clean repeal that eventually hits his desk.

 

[Superfluous Man]

In what way(s)?

It's discussed here.

https://fee.org/articles/ryancare-is-worse-than-obamacare/

 

[dannno]

Ryan would have been out as speaker now if you hadn't gone and blabbed Trump and Rand's plan here on the forum. You know damn well there are Ryan interns spying on these forums. I blame you.

Like I told you before, Mike Cernovich is much higher on their radar than I am.

https://www.periscope.tv/Cernovich

 

[dannno]

Why? And don't just say because it doesn't do everything you want.

It does NOTHING positive.

 

[Superfluous Man]

I don't see that at all.

Trump would sign into law - he won't veto - any Obamacare clean repeal that eventually hits his desk.

And that would be just the kind of trick I mean.

Yes, I think he would. He would do it hoping that Congress would then pass another law replacing Obamacare that would include a federal guarantee of health coverage for all Americans, like he campaigned on. Hopefully no such followup bill would ever reach his desk.

 

[oyarde]

Once Paul Ryan goes, you'll likely see McCarthy. K Street has an endless lineup of boobs to screw us with.

That would actually be worse.

 

[oyarde]

Ryan would have been out as speaker now if you hadn't gone and blabbed Trump and Rand's plan here on the forum. You know damn well there are Ryan interns spying on these forums. I blame you.

Really , Danno is behind more than people know

 

[WTLaw]

First, the democrats would never work with Trump on their signature.

Second, Trump is prevented from doing so because to the extent he has a base left, if he alienates them by switching parties (essentially), there will be no 2020 for him.

So either Trump does nothing, or perhaps people take a breath and talk to the Freedom Caucus, specifically Rand.

As for Dano's idea that this was intentional, of course not. Its a major embarrassment, a failed deal, but since at this point his best move is to keep Ryan, order him (he is pliable) to give the freedom caucus what they want, hype how this actually repeals obamacare, admit that they made a mistake before but are learning from it, and then, actually fullfill that campaign promise. He will have to browbeat a few reps to 216, but not as many as they were before, trying to appeal to the middle - and its possible to do, as everyone in the GOP is on record as wanting a repeal.

 

[Dr.3D]

Why oh why is it that when a terrible bill becomes law, instead of repealing it, they just go on to change it to another terrible bill and hope to pass it?

 

[CPUd]

 

[Zippyjuan]

I don't see that at all.

Trump would sign into law - he won't veto - any Obamacare clean repeal that eventually hits his desk.

He has consistently said "repeal and replace"- that he does not want any gap between repealing Obamacare and replacing it with something else. Some only wanted to hear the "replace" portion. I don't think he would sign a repeal- only bill. But with Trump one can never be certain.

He said he would not accept a delay of more than a few weeks before a replacement plan was voted on. “Long to me would be weeks,” he said. “It won’t be repeal and then two years later go in with another plan.” That directly contradicts House Speaker Paul D. Ryan’s plans.

Ryan met privately with Trump transition officials Monday to discuss health-care reform and agreed with the president-elect that Obamacare is a disaster and needs to be repealed. However, he wasn’t too keen on Trump’s replacement plan. Rather than an immediate overhaul, the speaker argued Tuesday that lawmakers need time to reach a bipartisan solution on the issue, according to the Times.

But Trump appears immovable.

“It’s a catastrophic event,” he said. “I feel that repeal and replace have to be together, for very simply, I think that the Democrats should want to fix Obamacare. They cannot live with it, and they have to go together.”

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/01/10/trump-i-want-obamacare-repealed-and-replaced-within-weeks/

 

[phill4paul]

Like I told you before, Mike Cernovich is much higher on their radar than I am.

https://www.periscope.tv/Cernovich

Loose lips sink ships. You're a looser. Way to blow it.

 

[dannno]

Loose lips sink ships. You're a looser. Way to blow it.

There were at least 500 people more visible than me discussing the same thing.

 

[Superfluous Man]

He has consistently said "repeal and replace"- that he does not want any gap between repealing Obamacare and replacing it with something else. Some only wanted to hear the "replace" portion. I don't think he would sign a repeal- only bill. But with Trump one can never be certain.

Exactly. He would have to be tricked into it.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Exactly. He would have to be tricked into it.

Though it may get modified (and some of it certainly needs to be), Obamacare is here to stay it seems.

 

[phill4paul]

There were at least 500 people more visible than me discussing the same thing.

A 1:500 chance you destroyed Rand and Trumps plan. I wouldn't shrug that off on others if I were you. This is serious stuff.

 

[Superfluous Man]

Though it may get modified (and some of it certainly needs to be), Obamacare is here to stay it seems.

If something can't go on forever, it won't.

The modifications that will happen, as long as Obamacare stays, will primarily be increasing the penalty for not buying insurance.

 

[Swordsmyth]

If something can't go on forever, it won't.

The modifications that will happen, as long as Obamacare stays, will primarily be increasing the penalty for not buying insurance.

No it will simply explode. Dumps EO made the Insurance line on the IRS form voluntary. 0 Chance even he would increase the penalty.

 

[spudea]

all that work for not a single republican vote, what a loser.

 

[CPUd]