HEADS UP: Sheriff Joe Arpaio 2:30 Live Press Conference On Obama's Eligibility Thread

[AuH20]

Arpaio does. That's how he keeps getting re-elected.

Given that his county is a maelstrom of drug violence as well as a center for drug mule motivated border crossings, I don't think he has to convince many. They just have to stick their head out the window of their car or home. Maricopa County is a warzone. You could banish Arpaio & his lawless department to another dimension & the same problems would arise again. That's liberty for you. Beheadings, rapes, drug related assassinations, forced servitude as a drug mule.....

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Focus here Scooby, this is about Obama's birth cert, quit changing the subject.

Also where this is all going as far as border security is the loss of our National Sovereignty, with UN oversight.

Weakening our border to the south is just part of what is to come.

I am now sure what you are thinking but try to keep it in context with what this Global Govt is headed.

I (and others) already explained why this appears to be nothing but political theater on Arpaio's end when all it does is focus the public's attention away from legitimate issues that affect all of us such as Obama's economic/foreign policy mess.

Since I believe in the NAP, spending public resources to defend an arbitrary border (which counts as infringing on private property btw) is a violation of individual liberties.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Given that his county is a maelstrom of drug violence as well as a center for drug mule motivated border crossings, I don't think he has to convince many. They just have to stick their head out the window of their car or home. Maricopa County is a warzone. You could banish Arpaio & his lawless department to another dimension & the same problems would arise again. That's liberty for you. Beheadings, rapes, drug related assassinations, forced servitude as a drug mule.....

Except he wants to heighten drug prohibition, the bane of the problems you point to.

 

[AuH20]

No, I expect you to mind your own business liberal, no one needs, or wants your help.

Thugs like Arpaio is doing the job of the Federal Govt, because we have a rogue Govt, who has already sold the country now is trying to harmonize what has been promised.

If you got a problem with that then your in the wrong camp buddy.

Fear monger much?

I really think you should stop calling him names. I know the other guy riled you up with the neocon accusations and white nationalist nonsense. But everyone here is generally on the same team. You need to remember that.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Given that his county is a maelstrom of drug violence as well as a center for drug mule motivated border crossings, I don't think he has to convince many. They just have to stick their head out the window of their car or home. Maricopa County is a warzone. You could banish Arpaio & his lawless department to another dimension & the same problems would arise again. That's liberty for you. Beheadings, rapes, drug related assassinations, forced servitude as a drug mule.....

Beheadings? How many? Jan Brewer claimed some but none could be found or substantiated.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/09/AR2010070902342.html

Jan Brewer has lost her head.

The Arizona governor, seemingly determined to repel every last tourist dollar from her pariah state, has sounded a new alarm about border violence. "Our law enforcement agencies have found bodies in the desert either buried or just lying out there that have been beheaded," she announced on local television.

Ay, caramba! Those dark-skinned foreigners are now severing the heads of fair-haired Americans? Maybe they're also scalping them or shrinking them or putting them on a spike.

But those in fear of losing parts north of the neckline can relax. There's not a follicle of evidence to support Brewer's claim.

The Arizona Guardian Web site checked with medical examiners in Arizona's border counties, and the coroners said they had never seen an immigration-related beheading. I called and e-mailed Brewer's press office requesting documentation of decapitation; no reply.

Brewer's mindlessness about headlessness is just one of the immigration falsehoods being spread by Arizona politicians. Border violence on the rise? Phoenix becoming the world's No. 2 kidnapping capital? Illegal immigrants responsible for most police killings? The majority of those crossing the border are drug mules? All wrong.

More at link.

OK more.

Two months ago, the Arizona Republic published an exhaustive report that found that, according to statistics from the FBI and Arizona police agencies, crime in Arizona border towns has been "essentially flat for the past decade." For example, "In 2000, there were 23 rapes, robberies and murders in Nogales, Ariz. Last year, despite nearly a decade of population growth, there were 19 such crimes." The Pima County sheriff reported that "the border has never been more secure."

Next, there's Brewer's claim that "the majority" of people immigrating illegally "are coming here and they're bringing drugs, and they're doing drop houses and they're extorting people and they're terrorizing the families. That is the truth." No, it isn't. The Border Patrol's Tucson Sector has apprehended more than 170,000 undocumented immigrants since Oct. 1, but only about 1,100 drug prosecutions have been filed in Arizona in that time.

The claim that illegal immigrants are behind most killings of law-enforcement personnel is also bunk. Arizona state Sen. Sylvia Allen claimed that "in the last few years 80 percent of our law enforcement that have been killed or wounded have been by an illegal." A Phoenix police spokesman told the Arizona Republic's E.J. Montini that the real figure for such killings is less than 25 percent, and that there are no statistics on the wounding of officers.

So what is this "terrible border security crisis" that Brewer says has only "gotten worse"? She complained recently to Fox News's Greta Van Susteren about the Obama administration's handling of the border: "They haven't did [sic] their job."

 

[Don Lapre]

Overwhelming evidence of what?

lol

Are you brain dead?

Document forgery.


Try gettin' yourself up to speed.

 

[AuH20]

Beheadings? How many? Jan Brewer claimed some but none could be found or substantiated.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/09/AR2010070902342.html


More at link.

The Washington Post's assertion isn't entirely accurate:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...el-behead-man-Arizona-apartment-stealing.html

The 38-year-old has stolen 400lbs of marijuana and some meth from a cartel while claiming they had been seized by the Border Patrol, according to a police report.

The cartel found out he had actually stolen the drugs and hired men to kidnap and kill him in Nogales, Mexico.

But Cota-Monroy was able to talk his way out of being killed by saying he would pay back the money and use his house as collateral.

The house did not belong to him and he fled to Phoenix, where the cartel sent assassins to befriend and kill him. His body was found on October 10.

Detective David Ramer said: 'It was a very gruesome scene. Anytime you see a headless body stabbed multiple times, obviously that's gruesome.

'And this is a message being sent - not only are they going to kill you but they're going to dismember your body, and "if you cross us, this is what happens".'

Police said the cartel Cota-Monroy stole from is known as the PEI-Estatales/El Chapo drug trafficking organisation and that he had been known to traffic drugs for his sister's lover, known as 'El Jefe'

 

[Zippyjuan]

I am sorry and stand corrected. There was one. Thank you for the information. The post made it sound like this is a regular thing though. A maelstrom of beheadings and rapes and drug mules.

Maybe Arpaio should be looking into those rapes and sex crimes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/10/u...icized-over-handling-of-sex-crimes-cases.html

Sheriff Arpaio, the top law enforcement official in sprawling Maricopa County, is perhaps best known for his hard-nosed treatment of prisoners and his aggressive raids aimed at illegal immigrants. But it is his department’s approach to more than 400 sex-crimes cases that has Sheriff Arpaio in trouble.

His deputies failed to investigate or conducted only the sketchiest of inquiries into hundreds of sex crimes between 2005 and 2007, investigations by Arizona law enforcement agencies have shown. Many of those cases involved molested children.

 

[qh4dotcom]

It's an enormously pitiful spectacle to see people (on a Liberty Forum, no less) divert toward the 'bad guy' Sheriff instead of concentrating on the overwhelming evidence that the man who has our nuclear codes and commands the most powerful army in the world is a completely illegal FRAUD.

Seriously, what in fuck's name is wrong with you people?


Amazing.

I agree with you....and you know what? There are a bunch of "principled Ron Paul supporters" on this forum who made a big deal out of Rand Paul endorsing Romney, the last thing these "principled folks" were going to do was give Rand a free pass for endorsing Romney...but somehow these "principled Ron Paul supporters" were happy to give the Pauls a free pass on covering up for Obama's crimes. Like endorsing Romney is worse than participating in the coverup of one of the greatest scams in American history. Go figure. All 535 members of Congress are participating in the coverup of Obama's crimes...not one of them is doing their job of defending the Constitution's natural born citizen requirements....sadly, not even the champion of the Constitution who does the most bragging about defending the Constitution and who doesn't even take his own advice.

"We should know the truth and we should follow the rule, we should follow the law, we should follow what the Constitution says about who is qualified to be President. So, I am very open-minded about looking at all of that."
- Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoQ3kO9xzcs#t=1m30s

 

[Don Lapre]

Right on, q4.

 

[Revolution9]

If you expect us to defend thugs like Arpaio or campaign for mediocre GOP politicians, then yes, you're effed.

I don't give an eff what he has done. What I am speaking to is the willful ignorance and blinkered idiocy in railing on the sheriff when he ain't the one in the spotlight for the biggest fraud in history. He simply did what law enforcement does. look onto suspicious activity that breaks the law. Yes. We are effed with headspaces like yours. I can only hope you mature out of your knee jerk and gain some practical pragmatism. The rest of your hogwash about endporsing GOP-ers ain't possibly directed at me or yer just pulling shit from your lower fundament.

Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

I (and others) already explained why this appears to be nothing but political theater on Arpaio's end when all it does is focus the public's attention away from legitimate issues that affect all of us such as Obama's economic/foreign policy mess.

Oh the strategist in you has severe failings. Ya see..if he gets legally jacked for his fraudulent shenanigans then all his policies are moot. Fraud ab initio. ObamaCare is out the window. Nothing he has signed has any force of law. You ain't as bright with your ideological claptrap as you think you are. Yer position submits a free pass to the long legged mack daddy.

Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

The fact that Obama was born in Hawaii should not be the issue it is either.

No..It shouldn't. The issue here is his father being Frank Marshall Davis..the black royalty of amurikan communism. This exposed exposes the whole shooting match. The Kenya gambit is a "look over there and waste time" bit of hoodwinkery.

Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

I am sorry and stand corrected. There was one. Thank you for the information. The post made it sound like this is a regular thing though. A maelstrom of beheadings and rapes and drug mules.

Maybe Arpaio should be looking into those rapes and sex crimes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/10/u...icized-over-handling-of-sex-crimes-cases.html

Just across the border there are mass graves of mutilated bodies being uncovered with great regularity. The borders are intentionally porous allowing the psychopaths ingress and egress as they see fit.. Yet here you are with your shilling BS again trying to paint a rosy picture. you are so full of it.

Rev9

 

[erowe1]

lol

Are you brain dead?

Document forgery.


Try gettin' yourself up to speed.

In post #163 you said something about overwhelming evidence that president Obama is an illegal fraud (whatever that's supposed to mean). Now it's just document forgery.

 

[AuH20]

Just across the border there are mass graves of mutilated bodies being uncovered with great regularity. The borders are intentionally porous allowing the psychopaths ingress and egress as they see fit.. Yet here you are with your shilling BS again trying to paint a rosy picture. you are so full of it.

Rev9

Largely because Maricopa County is smack dab in the middle of a highly contested battle for drug cartel supremacy.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

I'm not saying he's a hero, but the feds and a certain powerful lobbying group have been hellbent in fabricating charges against his department for more than a decade.

More than a decade of which who was in charge? (Of the MCSO)

You are quite a case.. I believe I called you on your Ron Paul comments (in a Justin Amash thread, I believe?) in which I still haven't a response.

That being said I am unamazed you would chime two cents in in stating,

Arpaio's crime is owning a badge. I forgot for a second.

Yes, that is it. It isn't his mismanagement of the investigation of hundreds of child sex abuse cases. (Allowing the statute of limitations to run out as well as never investigating a good percentage of them) It isn't about inmates being subjected to 100+ heat in the desert in tents. It isn't about the publicity stunts he has pulled denying 'well known' inmates water and putting them in a sweat box. It isn't about tanks rolling down private property. (Killing dogs and roosters they were supposedly there to rescue) It isn't about the mayor, different councilmen, etc. being arrested on embezzlement and/or child pornography charges only to have the case dismissed after their careers ruined. It isn't about the ICE/SB1070 raids conducted making average citizens feel weary and carry their 'papers.' It isn't about the fact that he is proud of aforementioned facts. Hell, it isn't even about pink boxers. My entire disdain relies souly on his badge.

I honestly think what upsets me the most is supposed Liberty minded people support this gestapo tumor. I've lived in M.C. I know the fear average law abiding citizens face because of this tyrannical asshole. I know who elects him run after run. It's a damn shame. And frankly, supposed Libertarians supporting him is a damn shame. //end rant

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Given that his county is a maelstrom of drug violence as well as a center for drug mule motivated border crossings, I don't think he has to convince many. They just have to stick their head out the window of their car or home. Maricopa County is a warzone. You could banish Arpaio & his lawless department to another dimension & the same problems would arise again. That's liberty for you. Beheadings, rapes, drug related assassinations, forced servitude as a drug mule.....

Do you live in Maricopa County?

 

[AuH20]

More than a decade of which who was in charge? (Of the MCSO)

You are quite a case.. I believe I called you on your Ron Paul comments (in a Justin Amash thread, I believe?) in which I still haven't a response.

That being said I am unamazed you would chime two cents in in stating

Point me to the thread. Was it a salem witch trial at Amash's expense?? I can't answer everything but I'd love to revisit the thread.

Yes, that is it. It isn't his mismanagement of the investigation of hundreds of child sex abuse cases. (Allowing the statute of limitations to run out as well as never investigating a good percentage of them) It isn't about inmates being subjected to 100+ heat in the desert in tents. It isn't about the publicity stunts he has pulled denying 'well known' inmates water and putting them in a sweat box. It isn't about tanks rolling down private property. (Killing dogs and roosters they were supposedly there to rescue) It isn't about the mayor, different councilmen, etc. being arrested on embezzlement and/or child pornography charges only to have the case dismissed after their careers ruined. It isn't about the ICE/SB1070 raids conducted making average citizens feel weary and carry their 'papers.' It isn't about the fact that he is proud of aforementioned facts. Hell, it isn't even about pink boxers. My entire disdain relies souly on his badge.

I honestly think what upsets me the most is supposed Liberty minded people support this gestapo tumor. I've lived in M.C. I know the fear average law abiding citizens face because of this tyrannical asshole. I know who elects him run after run. It's a damn shame. And frankly, supposed Libertarians supporting him is a damn shame. //end rant

First off, of the 432 cases half of them were thrown out for having no legitimacy to them. Secondly, you're dealing with a transient population of illegal immigrants who were reporting a large majority of these crimes. Utilizing valuable assets and resources to track down Jorge Espinoza when he's halfway to Massachusetts or Oaxaca doesn't strike me as logical nor efficient.

Secondly, I could care less what happens to those violators who don't follow Arizona or federal law in the Sheriff's county. There is a long lost remnant called personal responsibility as well as it's brother named situational awareness. These two valuable skills have served human beings well over the last six thousand years. Many of Joe's oppressed prisoners didn't magically end in Sheriff's Joe tents because they discarded a empty candy wrapper at the local street corner. Some of the nonsense peddled in this forum about Sheriff Joe and his badge wielding gestapo rounding up innocent, law abiding pillars of society is comical at best. It's 2012 in the age of mini-cameras and compact smart phones, yet we have no incendiary videos detailing firsthand these numerous alleged abuses by the Maricopa County Sheriff's department .

 

[Don Lapre]

In post #163 you said something about overwhelming evidence that president Obama is an illegal fraud (whatever that's supposed to mean). Now it's just document forgery.

Just?

If Barry passed off a forged BC, that is illegal and it makes him a fraud, does it not?


Unreal.