Havent been on in a bit. So are we going Rand Paul 2016?

[Carlybee]

Yes I'm aware this is Rands section...I was referring to the forum as a whole and its easy to see where its headed. I don't dislike Rand at all and wish him the best but sucking up to the very same people who threw his dad under the bus will never sit well with me. The Tea Party is not the liberty faction..they are the fiscal conservative faction who mostly have few issues with warmongering and other libertarian concerns. Call me when you learn the true meaning of liberty and stop hijacking the term. Sayonara.

 

[Shane Harris]

Whatever, everyone. I know for a fact that other posters here thin he's a douche, ad I know for a fact that many of the posters who were purged or voluntarily left also think he's a douche.
If you think he can win without our support, good on ya. I'm sure intentionally alienating a voting block can't possibly have negative consequences.

I also like how you guys just can't stop taking digs at anarchists. When you're the ones constantly bringing it up, you do realize it only promotes the idea, right?

Im ancap and I support Rand. And the people who demand that his rhetoric be the same as Ron's and that he isn't allowed to talk to anyone or make friends with the GOP are advocating intentionally alienating the GOP voting block, which couldn't possibly have negative consequences right? He's the most libertarian Senator we've had since Robert Taft and although I don't believe in the State or in the democratic process as the single answer to our problems, I fully support Rand and I fully support using the political process to educate people and if we can win races and roll back the state by any margin then I support that too. I wouldn't try to undermine my closest friends in government just because they aren't with me 100%.

 

[Kregisen]

CajunCocoa got banned? For voicing an opinion? Wow...nice liberty position.

Actually, private property rights is the basis of all rights....so yes, exercising your property rights effectively is indeed a nice liberty position. The opposite would be to force a forum owner to keep someone on the threads who seems to get in fights a lot.



Anyway, love him or hate him, Rand is the future of the GOP, and I know the vast majority of us will get behind him. If you're too pure politically to support him because he endorsed Mitt or has had one or 2 bad votes in his career, then go back to the libertarian party (or not vote at all...that seems to be what a lot of libertarians do) and spend the next 80 years moving from 1% presidential candidates to 3% presidential candidates.

This isn't an insult to the LP, as I vote for more LP candidates than any other party every election, but it's a simple reminder that the only way to institute change in the near future is through the Republican party. This is just fact - and Rand Paul will be the new tool we will use to not only get a great shot at president, but also sweeping the Senate and Congress with liberty candidates as once Rand gets super popular, all of his endorsements will bring about huge wins.

I'm excited for the next 4 years.

 

[BuddyRey]

I'd vote for Rand if it came down to a race between him and some horrible Democrat, but he's still far from the best candidate the liberty movement has. You guys are letting your impatience with the slow march of our revolution make you settle for second best. Aiming high and running principled libertarian candidates *is* paying off for us, but it's a long-game strategy; we just have to persevere and not forget the gains we've made.

 

[redickd]

Rand for Pres-2016

I will support Rand (or Ron !) if he announces for US Pres-2016. Until then see Redick for Pres-2016 at www.forward-usa.org, Comments? Best, Dave

 

[fisharmor]

CajunCocoa got banned? For voicing an opinion?

Unless someone wants to come correct the record, then this is what we're left with.

War is Peace.
Freedom is Slavery.
Everyone loves Rand.

 

[TheTexan]

I will as soon as you don't speak on these boards at all. I see you have stepped up your negativity again. You really need to be scrubbed...you are a positive energy vampire.

bye then

Yes, let's ban someone for presenting an opposing opinion in a thread titled "So are we going Rand Paul 2016?"

Let's make a thread asking people to present both sides of the issue, and then let the same 2-3 people who do this same shit in every thread dictate that NOTHING negative be said about Rand or his possibilities in 2016 WHATSOEVER.

Cajuncocoa wasn't even saying anything negative about Rand himself... just doesn't think the Republican party will be accepting of him. I like Rand and I wish him the best for 2016, but I happen to agree with that, are you going to ban me too for saying that? What the fuck are the mods thinking here?

 

[Carlybee]

I don't think they will accept him either ultimately...I think they will do to him what they did to his dad. He may differ somewhat on foreign policy than his dad but he is hardly full out warmonger...the Republicans are owned by the MIC...many probably have investments in War Inc. Does anyone really think they are going to let someone mess with their profiteering? Oh well...head in sand time.

Oh and thanks for all the neg reps. LOL

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

I don't think they will accept him either ultimately...I think they will do to him what they did to his dad. He may differ somewhat on foreign policy than his dad but he is hardly full out warmonger...the Republicans are owned by the MIC...many probably have investments in War Inc. Does anyone really think they are going to let someone mess with their profiteering? Oh well...head in sand time.

"We" are becoming "they". All it takes is for libertarian minded people to run for seats on their county committee. We need to run, so that we have influence and/or control of the state parties. If we do not, then we should expect similar results to 2012.

There is a logical, systematic means to give Rand the support on the ground he needs to prevail. But it requires people to get out into their local communities and have multiple interactions with registered GOP voters from a position of prominence and authority. Your county committee is the most direct means for that which is needed.

Committeemen (or women) are responsible for direct contact with the voters in their precinct. Between now and the 2016 primaries, a committeeman can have numerous contacts with each and every registered Republican in their precinct. Relationships are built and respect is gained. When the nomination race begins, committeemen can use that influence that has been built over the years to GOTV for Rand.

 

[Carlybee]

"We" are becoming "they". All it takes is for libertarian minded people to run for seats on their county committee. We need to run, so that we have influence and/or control of the state parties. If we do not, then we should expect similar results to 2012.

Sure Cap'n. All those antics at the primaries and convention never happened. And none of the liberty candidates supported financially by members of this site never capitulated and endorsed Romney. I guess the way you become them...is to become them.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Sure Cap'n. All those antics at the primaries and convention never happened.

They did. Because we are not in a majority position. But we can be. Many counties will have elections in 2013 for committee seats. The rest will be in 2014. The more liberty minded people that run for committee, the greater our influence will be.

But if all folks do is sit back and do nothing, then the results will be the same.

 

[Carlybee]

They did. Because we are not in a majority position. But we can be. Many counties will have elections in 2013 for committee seats. The rest will be in 2014. The more liberty minded people that run for committee, the greater our influence will be.

But if all folks do is sit back and do nothing, then the results will be the same.

Out of curiosity...what is your ideology criteria for a liberty candidate?

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Out of curiosity...what is your ideology criteria for a liberty candidate?

I am a traditional conservative, sometimes referred to as the "Old Right". I look for people who most closely align with my positions on issues, knowing that no one is going to be perfect. My "litmus test" if I have one would be that a person needs to hold to a belief that a limited government is the best government to have, and that those principles are outlined in the US and state constitutions.

 

[Carlybee]

I am a traditional conservative, sometimes referred to as the "Old Right". I look for people who most closely align with my positions on issues, knowing that no one is going to be perfect. My "litmus test" if I have one would be that a person needs to hold to a belief that a limited government is the best government to have, and that those principles are outlined in the US and state constitutions.

I see, thank you.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

I see, thank you.

And yourself?

 

[Carlybee]

And yourself?

I'm a libertarian...I believe true liberty involves more than just fiscal restraint and small government. Therefore my twain is not likely to meet with those who call for only limited liberty and/ or those who are willing to compromise some principle for the "greater good" or those who think the lesser of two evils is not still evil or those who are willing to put security before civil liberty...I could go on but it's rather pointless.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

I'm a libertarian...I believe true liberty involves more than just fiscal restraint and small government. Therefore my twain is not likely to meet with those who call for only limited liberty and/ or those who are willing to compromise some principle for the "greater good" or those who think the lesser of two evils is not still evil or those who are willing to put security before civil liberty...I could go on but it's rather pointless.

I respect that position. I differ in that I am a realist, in the sense that I realize that not all of the positions that I hold to may have widespread support at the present time. For example, I was anti-fed before it was cool to be anti-fed. It has always been a major issue for me, dating all the way back to the 1960's. But if I dug my heels in and refused to vote for someone who wasn't anti-fed, I would have never found a candidate to my liking for the large majority of my life. Now that the issue is prominent, and the national debate has moved in my direction, I can be more strident in that position and use it as a litmus test of sorts.

And keep in mind that when I speak of support of a candidate it far surpasses my personal vote. My vote is just one vote and does not sway things one way or another. But I have been an activist for 50 years and elected into local office or committee for about 20 of those years. My support can garner a candidate hundreds of votes due to the influence that I can have through my work and involvement in both the political and civic community. I am not unique in this, a good activist can influence hundreds of voters to his or her candidate of choice.

 

[dinosaur]

Does anyone know why Bastiat's the Law was banned? I was just reading this thread and was curious.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

CajunCocoa got banned? Some of us will not be assimilated.

I've never been a fan of hers but people told her over and over to lay off Rand in his own sub at least. It's almost like some are bending over backwards to dwell on a few past disagreements w/ Rand and drive the debate forward on every occasion. Some are so dead set on hoping Rand does, in fact, become the enemy of the liberty movement out of personal vindication reasons, which is disgusting. And, it has nothing to do with assimilation, you're acting like we're all not from the same ideological camp. There's just a more hip way of approaching the pursuit of future liberty. People don't just flip on the light and automatically become 100% pro-liberty. I'm willing to work with the 70-80%+ as opposed to throwing them to the wolves. If one can only function with a clone of themselves, their success rate will continually be next to 0. Instead of viewing everything in a negative light, try seeing the positives that are happening if you can admit them to yourself.

 

[fisharmor]

People don't just flip on the light and automatically become 100% pro-liberty.

Hey, now I'm not even a person!