Havent been on in a bit. So are we going Rand Paul 2016?

[Bastiat's The Law]

Many of the anarcho-types who support Ron believe in spreading ideas over political action - as Ron does. Why do you feel that those who feel as Ron does are pulling in the opposite direction (and what direction would this be, anyway)?

Sorry, but you're probably closer to Kokesh than Ron. Ron made a career in politics and belonging to a major party. I want to see practical political change in this country within my lifetime, I'm not interested in having philosophical debates at the local Olive Garden. For far too long libertarians and others have lived in the clouds daydreaming about pie-in-the-sky stuff. My job is to take the vitals signs of everyone and direct the useful alive people into something productive and allow the dreamers and driftwood to drift away.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Let's say many RPF members join their local Tea Parties to push Rand...here's how a typical discussion about him may go:

Tea Party: "I like Rand, but I'm worried, dear...his Father scared me to death with his foreign policy talk! Please tell me that Rand is nothing like his Dad. Is he?"

How do you answer?

I have had this exact discussion recently. I tell the truth.

Rand is not exactly like Ron on foreign policy. Instead of complete and immediate withdraw from the middle east, Rand would like to reduce our footprint gradually. Rand doesn't think we should be "everywhere all the time". (At this point in the conversation, the neocon breathes a little sigh of relief...Rand isn't completely "kooky" to them).

But this opens up the perfect opportunity to talk about:

1. The effect of wars on our debt, which most conservatives have to acknowledge, and

2. Rand's position on Constitutional wars. And if the neocon has any respect for the Constitution, I can get them to understand that a dictator in the White House should not be able to start nation-building wars whenever he wants.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I have had this exact discussion recently. I tell the truth.

Rand is not exactly like Ron on foreign policy. Instead of complete and immediate withdraw from the middle east, Rand would like to reduce our footprint gradually. Rand doesn't think we should be "everywhere all the time". (At this point in the conversation, the neocon breathes a little sigh of relief...Rand isn't completely "kooky" to them).

But this opens up the perfect opportunity to talk about:

1. The effect of wars on our debt, which most conservatives have to acknowledge, and

2. Rand's position on Constitutional wars. And if the neocon has any respect for the Constitution, I can get them to understand that a dictator in the White House should not be able to start nation-building wars whenever he wants.

THANK YOU (and +rep). I can accept that as a good answer, and one that doesn't throw Ron and his supporters under the bus. I hope all other Rand supporters follow your lead.

 

[July]

I have had this exact discussion recently. I tell the truth.

Rand is not exactly like Ron on foreign policy. Instead of complete and immediate withdraw from the middle east, Rand would like to reduce our footprint gradually. Rand doesn't think we should be "everywhere all the time". (At this point in the conversation, the neocon breathes a little sigh of relief...Rand isn't completely "kooky" to them).

But this opens up the perfect opportunity to talk about:

1. The effect of wars on our debt, which most conservatives have to acknowledge, and

2. Rand's position on Constitutional wars. And if the neocon has any respect for the Constitution, I can get them to understand that a dictator in the White House should not be able to start nation-building wars whenever he wants.

This. +rep

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

I have had this exact discussion recently. I tell the truth.

Rand is not exactly like Ron on foreign policy. Instead of complete and immediate withdraw from the middle east, Rand would like to reduce our footprint gradually. Rand doesn't think we should be "everywhere all the time". (At this point in the conversation, the neocon breathes a little sigh of relief...Rand isn't completely "kooky" to them).

But this opens up the perfect opportunity to talk about:

1. The effect of wars on our debt, which most conservatives have to acknowledge, and

2. Rand's position on Constitutional wars. And if the neocon has any respect for the Constitution, I can get them to understand that a dictator in the White House should not be able to start nation-building wars whenever he wants.

I think we should give Rand some room to let him work the rhetoric. He can lie (like most politicians do), but for the good of the movement.

Sometimes he is going to say things we won't like, but that is just rhetoric. Most politicians say good things, but do bad things. We should give him some room if he says bad things, but do good things. You know what I mean? Politicians do the opposite of what they say! Obama says good things, does bad things. Rand can say bad things, do good things.
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at any rate i find it interesting that people are all fired up for something 4 years down the road that may or may not happen XD... but i guess this is TRUE hope. Not the garbage hope that obama keeps saying.

 

[specsaregood]

Tea Party: "I like Rand, but I'm worried, dear...his Father scared me to death with his foreign policy talk! Please tell me that Rand is nothing like his Dad. Is he?"

How do you answer?

I would answer it like Rand does: The funny thing about foreign policy is there is a group saying you have to be everywhere all thetime and we have to be police man of the world. There is another group that says we shouldn't be anywhere and not talk to anybody. I argue that perhaps we could start with some middle ground, why are we paying to protect europe? Why are americans having to give foreign aid to countries that protect our enemies? Why are americans borrowing money from china, then giving it back to them as aid? I tried to get a vote just to say, "hey there should be some conditions on our aid" and i only got 10 senators to vote for it! Is there no room for debate on these subjects?

 

[Sola_Fide]

at any rate i find it interesting that people are all fired up for something 4 years down the road that may or may not happen XD... but i guess this is TRUE hope. Not the garbage hope that obama keeps saying.

Haha...the funny thing is, I've been working on Rand-for-President in my head before he even ran for Senate in 2009.

The reason Rand could work in 2016 is because Ron has pushed the country in Rand's direction for the past 8 years.

 

[Agorism]

chairman

We need more GOP chairmen for next time I think

 

[69360]

double

 

[69360]

Tea Party: "I like Rand, but I'm worried, dear...his Father scared me to death with his foreign policy talk! Please tell me that Rand is nothing like his Dad. Is he?"

How do you answer?

He wants the president to go to congress and declare all wars.

He want to keep our troops home, safe and defending our borders not the borders between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

He would not interfere in Isreal's right to defend itself.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

He wants the president to go to congress and declare all wars.

He want to keep our troops home, safe and defending our borders not the borders between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

He would not interfere in Isreal's right to defend itself. And will send military aid to Israel IF they request our help and he gets congressional approval

=p... I think most voters will want us to protect our allies if they are in trouble.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

I think we should give Rand some room to let him work the rhetoric. He can lie (like most politicians do), but for the good of the movement.

Sometimes he is going to say things we won't like, but that is just rhetoric. Most politicians say good things, but do bad things. We should give him some room if he says bad things, but do good things. You know what I mean? Politicians do the opposite of what they say! Obama says good things, does bad things. Rand can say bad things, do good things.
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at any rate i find it interesting that people are all fired up for something 4 years down the road that may or may not happen XD... but i guess this is TRUE hope. Not the garbage hope that obama keeps saying.

I'm fired up because I think Rand has the right prescription to fundamentally change the GOP and the public is so hungry to hear that message from a major party. He will also bring a lot liberty candidates along with him into office, he will have long coattails.

 

[itshappening]

I wonder how Rand - or any president for that matter - will deal with the worsening situation of China and Japan.

If China take back those islands it is technically an attack on Japan and the U.S is bound by treaty to defend Japan, which means a war with China.

Something to think about there...

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

I wonder how Rand - or any president for that matter - will deal with the worsening situation of China and Japan.

If China take back those islands it is technically an attack on Japan and the U.S is bound by treaty to defend Japan, which means a war with China.

Something to think about there...

Gotta honor treaty AND help our allies if they got attacked. Although, I prefer that we not be automatically be included in the battle unless Japan asks for help and congressional approval was obtained.

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

He did more than endorse the snake Romney, he campaigned for him. Also all his votes are not on the side of liberty, sanctions against Iran and aid to Israel. I will wait and see what he does as Senator before I decide to vote for him or not.

While I don't totally agree with every single one of Rand Paul's votes, it should be noted that sanctions are not unconstitutional per se, and that the sanctions Rand voted for were sanctions only against Iran's Central Bank (Justin Amash voted for these same sanctions), not against the Iranian people in general. As for the vote on the $9 billion loan to Israel, that was a voice vote, not a roll call vote--we don't know how individual Senators voted. Rand has been pretty clear in his speeches and interviews that even aid to Israel needs to be cut, amongst aid to all the other countries.

 

[Uriah]

For those people

Good video. He speaks truth.

 

[Uriah]

I wonder how Rand - or any president for that matter - will deal with the worsening situation of China and Japan.

If China take back those islands it is technically an attack on Japan and the U.S is bound by treaty to defend Japan, which means a war with China.

Something to think about there...

China is not that stupid. For all of our politicians errors, they aren't stupid enough to go to war with China. Our economy depends upon theirs and their economy is propped up by ours.

 

[Southerner]

I don't know what "we" or "you" or anyone else is or will be doing, but IF Rand Paul runs for POTUS (or senator, or dogcatcher of some county in Kentucky) in 2016, he will have my full support.

 

[Occam's Banana]

In our group, its the anarchists who don't like Rand.

I'm an anarchist. I've got no particular problems with Rand (so far). I think he's just peachy.

I don't think he should run for POTUS, and I hope that he does not. But that's only due to strategic considerations

The anarchists have always been in it to rub in how horrible government is and bring it all down.

Sorry if I offended anybody but its from my experience that I say this.

I'm not offended. But in the future you might want to use phrasing like "some anarchists" instead of "the anarchists."

Which is not to imply that I don't think government is horrible. I do.

But I'm not in this to "rub it in."

 

[LibertyEagle]

It really gets tiresome reading your insults toward Ron Paul supporters all day every day. What exactly is your beef with Rand's Dad anyway?

That wasn't what he was doing at all and you damn well know it.

But, I do see what a couple of you are up to. You are trying to drive a wedge between Ron Paul and Rand Paul supporters; pushing the idea that one cannot be a supporter of BOTH of them.

The jig is up, Cajun.

And for that matter, what the hell are you doing spreading your BS about Rand in RAND PAUL's own subforum?