Havent been on in a bit. So are we going Rand Paul 2016?

[Carlybee]

I've never been a fan of hers but people told her over and over to lay off Rand in his own sub at least. It's almost like some are bending over backwards to dwell on a few past disagreements w/ Rand and drive the debate forward on every occasion. Some are so dead set on hoping Rand does, in fact, become the enemy of the liberty movement out of personal vindication reasons, which is disgusting. And, it has nothing to do with assimilation, you're acting like we're all not from the same ideological camp. There's just a more hip way of approaching the pursuit of future liberty. People don't just flip on the light and automatically become 100% pro-liberty. I'm willing to work with the 70-80%+ as opposed to throwing them to the wolves. If one can only function with a clone of themselves, their success rate will continually be next to 0. Instead of viewing everything in a negative light, try seeing the positives that are happening if you can admit them to yourself.

She's been a member since 2007....I hardly think a perma ban was warranted over some who get butthurt at the slightest provocation. If some of you can't handle debate just because it happens to be in Rand's forum, good luck with trying to convince people to get more involved. There is a most divisive "If you aren't with us you're against us" vibe on this board and in particular with regard to anything involving Rand. Yet you want people to think you care about liberty when you can't even show a modicum of respect for differing opinions and treat anyone voicing one like a troll.

 

[Occam's Banana]

She's been a member since 2007....I hardly think a perma ban was warranted over some who get butthurt at the slightest provocation. If some of you can't handle debate just because it happens to be in Rand's forum, good luck with trying to convince people to get more involved. There is a most divisive "If you aren't with us you're against us" vibe on this board and in particular with regard to anything involving Rand. Yet you want people to think you care about liberty when you can't even show a modicum of respect for differing opinions and treat anyone voicing one like a troll.

So how does it help by suggesting that other forum members (especially ones like FSP-R) merely "want people to think [they] care about liberty" - thereby insinuating that they *don't* really care about liberty. With all due respect, that's not debating. That's not showing a modicum of respect for differing opinions. That's passive-aggressive provocation.

Some of those you disagree with are guilty of *exactly* the same thing, to be sure. So be the bigger person. Don't descend to their level. You'll show them up for the immature boors that they are, and your words will carry greater weight. But instead, you're just fanning the flames. Is there some point at which you expect that to start working?

 

[Uriah]

Yes I'm aware this is Rands section...I was referring to the forum as a whole and its easy to see where its headed. I don't dislike Rand at all and wish him the best but sucking up to the very same people who threw his dad under the bus will never sit well with me. The Tea Party is not the liberty faction..they are the fiscal conservative faction who mostly have few issues with warmongering and other libertarian concerns. Call me when you learn the true meaning of liberty and stop hijacking the term. Sayonara.

When has Rand sucked up to anybody? He has made political decisions so as to not make himself an outcast. That is just smart politics. I don't like it any more than the next guy or gal. But if we can't see what he did and truly why he did it then this in fighting will keep pushing some people out. At this moment in history we need to stand together in the cause of liberty. We WILL NOT see eye to eye on every issue but if we can't stand together when it truly matters then we and this country are doomed to tyranny and destruction.

Just for those of you that still don't know, Rand endorsed Romney because he promised he would endorse the nominee. He has been a man of his word. At the time of his endorsement of Romney, Ron had effectively lost the nomination. In Rand's endorsement he said his first choice has always been his father. Rand never threw his father under the proverbial 'bus'. Ron kept campaigning for us and for our voices to be heard. Of course, our voice was crushed at the national convention. No body knew Romney & friends would be as wretched as they were. None of this means Rand is a traitor or neo-con or doesn't advocate liberty and defend the constitution.

This in fighting needs to stop. It is not productive. I am working for the freedom of all. I hope you are too.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

When has Rand sucked up to anybody? He has made political decisions so as to not make himself an outcast. That is just smart politics.

This is a key to his future success. If Rand is labeled as an outsider he will be stuck in meaningless committees like Indian Affairs (no offence to the Indians among us) or the Joint Committee on the Library. He will never make any allies, because people will avoid him like the plague.

Rand is far too smart for that though - it's politics, and he is playing the game of politics.

 

[PatriotOne]

Does anyone know why Bastiat's the Law was banned? I was just reading this thread and was curious.

Undeclared "War on Brains"

 

[cstarace]

Then leave. Rand 2016 is the future of the movement. If you aren't on board, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!

Oh, really? He's the future of the movement? According to whom, you? Get off your high horse.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Oh, really? He's the future of the movement? According to whom, you? Get off your high horse.

I have close ties with many conservative and libertarian activists in my section of the state, roughly about 100 people. We meet often in large and small groups to discuss politics and strategy for local, state and federal election. Many of these folks are elected to committee seats. These are the folks that got Tom Davis elected to State Senate by defeating a incumbent GOP State Senator in the primary. These same folks are eagerly anticipating Davis' challenge of Graham in 2014. This is the liberty movement that exists outside of web forums and blogs - I'd venture to guess most of them do not even know this site exists. We are all very enthusiastic about a Rand 2016 presidential bid.

 

[fisharmor]

Rand endorsed Romney because he promised he would endorse the nominee. He has been a man of his word.

Romney was not the nominee when Rand endorsed him.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Romney was not the nominee when Rand endorsed him.

Romney had secured enough bound delegates at that point to put him over the top.

 

[Uriah]

I have close ties with many conservative and libertarian activists in my section of the state, roughly about 100 people. We meet often in large and small groups to discuss politics and strategy for local, state and federal election. Many of these folks are elected to committee seats. These are the folks that got Tom Davis elected to State Senate by defeating a incumbent GOP State Senator in the primary. These same folks are eagerly anticipating Davis' challenge of Graham in 2014. This is the liberty movement that exists outside of web forums and blogs - I'd venture to guess most of them do not even know this site exists. We are all very enthusiastic about a Rand 2016 presidential bid.

Good to hear.

 

[Uriah]

Romney had secured enough bound delegates at that point to put him over the top.

This.

 

[Kregisen]

You guys can fight all you want.....truth is, Rand Paul will be the liberty candidate in 2016. Will there be people who object and want someone else? Sure, just like all the Gary Johnson people who have been in here the past couple years saying we should get behind him instead of Ron Paul. What happened to them? They were ignored and they left.

Nobody is forcing anyone here to support Rand, but unless hell freezes over, he will likely be the new liberty candidate, and trying to get people in here to support anyone else over Rand once the primaries start up will be hurting the movement - not helping it. So by all means, suggest other people for the movement to get behind, but nobody even comes close to the name recognition and foot in the door that Rand has, and nobody else has been the only vote in the entire senate that Rand has been on some of these key issues. This is why he's our man, and this is why people in here will not think of you too fondly if you keep trying to attack him instead of uniting behind him.

 

[Carlybee]

Then leave. Rand 2016 is the future of the movement. If you aren't on board, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!

No one is saying Rand isn't the future of the movement for SOME people on this board. Some have moved on to the Libertarian party and some are just disgusted in general. That being said, when they take the RON PAUL off the masthead and replace it with RAND PAUL, then you can say that he is officially the future of the movement on THIS board (not just the Rand forum) but until that time people have a choice and running people off who disagree is more than likely going to alienate supporters rather than gain them.


Want to gain supporters for Rand? Stop acting like a bunch of pussies everytime someone asks a question or makes a statement that is contrary to what you think it should be. Because that what a lot of you sound like right now. Grow a set.

 

[Dystopian]

I'm supporting the candidate who is the most anti-war, pro-free market, and pro-civil liberties. If Rand Paul starts sounding and voting like his father, then I will wholeheartedly support him.

 

[Uriah]

I'm supporting the candidate who is the most anti-war, pro-free market, and pro-civil liberties. If Rand Paul starts sounding and voting like his father, then I will wholeheartedly support him.

Welcome to the forums!

Don't expect Rand to sound exactly like his father. He is on a more political path. His votes are looking good so far. I'm with you though. If he waivers in the defense of liberty I will question my support. Thus far, his is the best option for president in my view.

 

[Brett85]

I'm supporting the candidate who is the most anti-war, pro-free market, and pro-civil liberties. If Rand Paul starts sounding and voting like his father, then I will wholeheartedly support him.

Rand has voted like his father on all but one or two votes.

 

[Dogsoldier]

I would vote for rand so far but I still think 2016 is too soon.He just got in.Most people don't know him.

 

[Brett85]

I would vote for rand so far but I still think 2016 is too soon.He just got in.Most people don't know him.

Obama got in the Senate in 2004 and won the Presidency in 2008. Rand will have more experience than Obama did if Rand decides to run in 2016.

 

[supermario21]

What we don't need is Gary Johnson to run again. He should run for NM Senate in 2014.

 

[Uriah]

What we don't need is Gary Johnson to run again. He should run for NM Senate in 2014.

I wholeheartedly concur. I would support him if he ran for NM Senate. He should run as a Republican though.