Havent been on in a bit. So are we going Rand Paul 2016?

[LibertyEagle]

Keep reporting me. If the mods agree with you, I will take my banishment. Until then, you'll have to put up with me expressing my opinions and asking questions.

Which Mod is telling you that you are being reported? Eh?

 

[cajuncocoa]

Which Mod is telling you that you are being reported? Eh?

No one told me, LE. No one needed to...they made it perfectly clear with the comments they were making.

 

[LibertyEagle]

No one told me, LE. No one needed to...they made it perfectly clear with the comments they were making.

What comments were those, Cajun? Or was it that you knew you were doing things in Rand Paul's subforum that deserved to be reported?

 

[CaseyJones]

Keep reporting me. If the mods agree with you, I will take my banishment. Until then, you'll have to put up with me expressing my opinions and asking questions.

bye then

 

[PatriotOne]

No one told me, LE. No one needed to...they made it perfectly clear with the comments they were making.

Sure Cajun . Now your psychic. I said nothing about reporting you and yet you knew you were reported. Who told you?

 

[PatriotOne]

NV

 

[Shane Harris]

I'm an AnCap and have no problem supporting Rand, so I don't know what people are talking about.

same

 

[EBounding]

Let's say many RPF members join their local Tea Parties to push Rand...here's how a typical discussion about him may go:

Tea Party: "I like Rand, but I'm worried, dear...his Father scared me to death with his foreign policy talk! Please tell me that Rand is nothing like his Dad. Is he?"

How do you answer?

This is a good question that we all need to prepare for, especially if anyone's going to be involved in the GOP. Most rank and file Republicans think Ron Paul would have gutted the military and would be too reluctant to go to war. There's no point arguing those assumptions with them. Their main concern is "safety". We have to demonstrate that a non-interventionist policy makes us "safer", not weaker.

I'll have to think about it more.

 

[Lowkey]

I enjoy Rand quite a bit. Especially his policy on the EPA.

 

[Uriah]

This is a good question that we all need to prepare for, especially if anyone's going to be involved in the GOP. Most rank and file Republicans think Ron Paul would have gutted the military and would be too reluctant to go to war. There's no point arguing those assumptions with them. Their main concern is "safety". We have to demonstrate that a non-interventionist policy makes us "safer", not weaker.

I'll have to think about it more.

I mentioned this in another thread. Funny thing happened. One of our National Delegates from Iowa got in a verbal argument with our GOP county co-chair. It was about what the Paul delegates were doing at the convention. Basically he(the co-chair) thought we were trying to do crazy things blah blah blah. Then somehow the argument got shifted to Rand Paul. This is what is interesting. Our delegate said that Rand and Ron are virtually the same philosophically and on policy. The co-chair adamantly disagreed and basically said they are worlds apart. He seemed to have a favorable impression of Rand but not Ron.

 

[fisharmor]

I'm an AnCap and have no problem supporting Rand, so I don't know what people are talking about.

Well for the record, it was ancap haters who dragged ancap into the discussion.

I think it's interesting that I brought up that some of us think he's a douche, and as soon as someone agreed with me, he gets permabanned.
Not really sure how you guys can be sure who thinks what or what the numbers are if this is the reaction we can expect from here on out.

 

[Carlybee]

CajunCocoa got banned? For voicing an opinion? Wow...nice liberty position. I guess liberty is a relative term on this forum. Just admit some of you use the term to try and differentiate yourselves from the rank and file but ultimately you just want to become the rank and file...which puts you at the same level of douchebaggery we thought we were trying to change. Ban me too..I no longer give a damn but I guarantee you I am done with so called conservative libertarians or libertarian republicans...its just another name for playing the same old stupid game. Time to start the Resistance...because this place is now is the land of intolerance...congratulations! Some of us will not be assimilated.

 

[Rocco]

Then leave. Rand 2016 is the future of the movement. If you aren't on board, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!

CajunCocoa got banned? For voicing an opinion? Wow...nice liberty position. I guess liberty is a relative term on this forum. Just admit some of you use the term to try and differentiate yourselves from the rank and file but ultimately you just want to become the rank and file...which puts you at the same level of douchebaggery we thought we were trying to change. Ban me too..I no longer give a damn but I guarantee you I am done with so called conservative libertarians or libertarian republicans...its just another name for playing the same old stupid game. Time to start the Resistance...because this place is now is the land of intolerance...congratulations! Some of us will not be assimilated.

 

[Reece]

Then leave. Rand 2016 is the future of the movement. If you aren't on board, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!

While I am supporting Rand, I don't think it should be a requirement to do so. This is the "Ron Paul Forums," not the "Rand Paul Forums." People having different opinions on who the liberty candidates are is fine.

 

[LibertyEagle]

While I am supporting Rand, I don't think it should be a requirement to do so. This is the "Ron Paul Forums," not the "Rand Paul Forums." People having different opinions on who the liberty candidates are is fine.

It's actually both. www.randpaulforums.com

It doesn't matter if people support Rand or not, but they most certainly don't need to go all over the place spewing their hatred of him.

 

[Reece]

It's actually both. www.randpaulforums.com

It doesn't matter if people support Rand or not, but they most certainly don't need to go all over the place spewing their hatred of him.

Ah, sorry, I didn't notice we were in this forum (I came from the front page). And I agree with the rest of your post (especially in the Rand Paul Forum).

 

[anaconda]

A significant percentage of the liberty movement thinks Rand is a douche.

I think he is amazing. Just look at his record in the senate.



Rand has gone essentially rogue in the Senate and does things no other Senator would dream of. He is just as likely to piss off John McCain as Barbara Boxer. Many times he acts alone to object to bills set to pass under suspension, so that there is debate and roll calls. He filibusters, tacks on crazy amendments to stall statist legislation and induce debate, excoriates statist agency people in Senate hearings, rails against foreign aid, the patriot act, the TSA, overreach by the EPA, aggression without a congressional declaration of war, writes anti-state books, proposes budgets that balance in 3 years, votes against debt ceiling increases, warrantless searches and wiretaps, quotes novels and famous philosophers, makes frequent references to specific sections of the constitution, has said ALL regulations should sunset regularly and then have to be justified in order to be reinstated, has said on national T.V. that he feels he should return his salary to the taxpayers since the Senate does so little work and with no debate, he introduces bills for no reason other than to underscore hypocrisy, and last but not least, he claims to eat lots of sushi. He is just one guy and can't do it all alone. But looking at him work, you almost wouldn't know it. He has evolved into a top notch speaker, thinks well on his feet, and can dumb down the message for the lower information voter when necessary.

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[Galileo Galilei]

Rand has gone essentially rogue in the Senate and does things no other Senator would dream of. He is just as likely to piss off John McCain as Barbara Boxer. Many times he acts alone to object to bills set to pass under suspension, so that there is debate and roll calls. He filibusters, tacks on crazy amendments to stall statist legislation and induce debate, excoriates statist agency people in Senate hearings, rails against foreign aid, the patriot act, the TSA, overreach by the EPA, aggression without a congressional declaration of war, writes anti-state books, proposes budgets that balance in 3 years, votes against debt ceiling increases, warrantless searches and wiretaps, quotes novels and famous philosophers, makes frequent references to specific sections of the constitution, has said ALL regulations should sunset regularly and then have to be justified in order to be reinstated, has said on national T.V. that he feels he should return his salary to the taxpayers since the Senate does so little work and with no debate, he introduces bills for no reason other than to underscore hypocrisy, and last but not least, he claims to eat lots of sushi. He is just one guy and can't do it all alone. But looking at him work, you almost wouldn't know it. He has evolved into a top notch speaker, thinks well on his feet, and can dumb down the message for the lower information voter when necessary.

That's a great summary of how great Rand is. Frankly, I find this even more impressive than Ron Paul's voting record as Rand is brand new in the more higher profile senate.

 

[Sola_Fide]

dbl

 

[Sola_Fide]

CajunCocoa got banned? For voicing an opinion? Wow...nice liberty position. I guess liberty is a relative term on this forum. Just admit some of you use the term to try and differentiate yourselves from the rank and file but ultimately you just want to become the rank and file...which puts you at the same level of douchebaggery we thought we were trying to change. Ban me too..I no longer give a damn but I guarantee you I am done with so called conservative libertarians or libertarian republicans...its just another name for playing the same old stupid game. Time to start the Resistance...because this place is now is the land of intolerance...congratulations! Some of us will not be assimilated.

I'm with you. Some things in this world will just never get resolved with politics at all. Political action is not the solution for everything. Even though I support Rand for president, I don't have confidence in a political solution to... anything, really.

We are living in the death throes of these United States. We are out of political solutions.

Some good things that can come from promoting Rand for president are:

1. Ron will be in the spotlight and center of national politics for 4 more years
2. More people will get exposed to the ideas of liberty
3. More Ron Paul Republicans can run for office and be accepted as "mainstream"
4. As this country sinks deeper, the answer as to why it is sinking will be made known in a Rand campaign

There is a lot more I'm missing. But the point is, I don't look to Rand (or Ron for that matter) as a Saviors. There is only one Savior, and both Ron and Rand must look to Him for salvation. Politics does not bring salvation. Politicians do not bring salvation. Political action does not bring salvation. This is the religious aspect of statism that is one of the oldest forms of idolatry. Statism is a false religion and politicians are false saviors.