Have you watched "Overview of America" yet?

[TruthisTreason]

We all need to choose our battles. If you view the right to use cocaine or heroine more important than fighting the Federal reserve, that's your choice. Good luck with that.

You miss the argument.

 

[FrankRep]

You miss the argument.

It's a matter of priorities. Drug use is low priority.

 

[TruthisTreason]

It's a matter of priorities. Drug use is low priority.

It has nothing to do with drug use and everything to do about States Rights and Personal Liberty. Those are things you claim to care about, have you forgot those? You know the BILL OF RIGHTS!

 

[LibertyEagle]

Oh geez, all the more reason an organization like JBS needs to speak up about Federal Government using the Drug War as a way to gain power over the states. Oh geez, I'm so cool!

That would be great and all, but I don't see it as a reason to turn my back on them. What's more, I haven't really asked them their rationale for not doing so. It very well could be that they are choosing their battles. We all have hot issues, but I guess to me anyway, we can stay stirring around at the bottom here nitpicking with each other and taking pot shots at organizations WHO ARE trying to fight the fight, or we can get involved with something that most closely fits our own principles and START FIGHTING. Whether that is the JBS, the C4L, or some other organization entirely.

 

[TruthisTreason]

That would be great and all, but I don't see it as a reason to turn my back on them. What's more, I haven't really asked them their rationale for not doing so. It very well could be that they are choosing their battles. We all have hot issues, but I guess to me anyway, we can stay stirring around at the bottom here nitpicking with each other and taking pot shots at organizations WHO ARE trying to fight the fight, or we can get involved with something that most closely fits our own principles and START FIGHTING. Whether that is the JBS, the C4L, or some other organization entirely.

As a paying member of JBS, I have ground to stand on with my complaints! JBS supports states rights but fails to mention the Drug War being an example. That doesn't smell fishy to others? It's about consistency, it's about applying these ideas of liberty to all issue the same, not picking and choosing them based on what is political correct. You have to walk the walk, not just talk the talk!

 

[FrankRep]

It has nothing to do with drug use and everything to do about States Rights and Personal Liberty. Those are things you claim to care about, have you forgot those? You know the BILL OF RIGHTS!

Right now we have little states rights or personal liberty. We have to fight to get our rights back bit by bit. What rights are more important is the question?

 

[TruthisTreason]

Right now we have little states rights or personal liberty. We have to fight to get our rights back bit by bit. What rights are more important is the question?

Sounds like the Republican Party mantra. Just support the lesser of two evils! Vote McCain.

ALL MY RIGHTS ARE IMPORTANT!

 

[LibertyEagle]

As a paying member of JBS, I have ground to stand on with my complaints! JBS supports states rights but fails to mention the Drug War being an example. That doesn't smell fishy to others? It's about consistency, it's about applying these ideas of liberty to all issue the same, not picking and choosing them based on what is political correct. You have to walk the walk, not just talk the talk!

I didn't realize you were a member. :o Have you talked to your regional coordinator about this and if so, what did they say?

 

[TruthisTreason]

I didn't realize you were a member. :o Have you talked to your regional coordinator about this and if so, what did they say?

I joined because I liked most of what they stood for. After being a member for a year I can clearly see some things I don't like. Over the past year noticing they fail to mention the drug war as an issue at all, troubled me. Reasons they should mention it: Personal liberty, theft by state, states rights, drug war leads to the growth of "the state", medical reasons, etc... I could care less about the person who wants to "smoke pot" all day or "shoot up"; that misses the point.

Another thing I noticed was when the little battle with Russia and the American supported puppet, they threw all the facts out the window and went after the Commies. True, the mentioned something about possibly faulty info in the editorial of the next issue of the mag they put out. I'm assuming they got some hate mail! I'm hoping for the same on the drug war issue. If JBS is going to be a BIG leader of the "freedom movement" or whatever name someone is using, they need to get the message right! You can't say you support states rights and fail to oppose the drug war, in my eyes.

I guess my disappointment lies with whomever is in charge of the media wing of JBS, they are obviously tainted the stories to fit their "agenda/message" and to me that agenda isn't on point.


Liberty Eagle,

To now answer your question: I don't know who my regional coordinator is.:o

 

[FrankRep]

I joined because I liked most of what they stood for. After being a member for a year I can clearly see some things I don't like. Over the past year noticing they fail to mention the drug war as an issue at all, troubled me. Reasons they should mention it: Personal liberty, theft by state, states rights, drug war leads to the growth of "the state", medical reasons, etc... I could care less about the person who wants to "smoke pot" all day or "shoot up"; that misses the point.

Another thing I noticed was when the little battle with Russia and the American supported puppet, they threw all the facts out the window and went after the Commies. True, the mentioned something about possibly faulty info in the editorial of the next issue of the mag they put out. I'm assuming they got some hate mail! I'm hoping for the same on the drug war issue. If JBS is going to be a BIG leader of the "freedom movement" or whatever name someone is using, they need to get the message right! You can't say you support states rights and fail to oppose the drug war, in my eyes.

I guess my disappointment lies with whomever is in charge of the media wing of JBS, they are obviously tainted the stories to fit their "agenda/message" and to me that agenda isn't on point.


Liberty Eagle,

To now answer your question: I don't know who my regional coordinator is.:o

I approached the head editor of the New American magazine at the JBS 50th celebration about the Russia/Georgia conflict article being biased. The writer was viewing the long term conflict between Russia and Georgia and not just the recent event. I can see why you could question the integrity of the New American because of that one article. Just remember though, neither Russia or Georgia is a friend of liberty.

You can join more than one group. Join a group that specializes on drug legalization.

Who is stopping you from writing an article and submitting it to the JBS/New American? They may or may not publish it depending on what the issue is about.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Liberty Eagle,

To now answer your question: I don't know who my regional coordinator is.:o

Well, if it were me, and I realize it's not )), I would find out who my regional coordinator and discuss the issue. If you do not get satisfaction there, I would go up the chain to McManus. I used to have his email address around here somewhere. FrankRep might have it.

You can call the JBS to find out who your regional guy is and they will tell you his name and phone number.

Even if you have decided to quit them, I wish you'd do this to tell them what your complaint is and your reasoning for it. If you don't tell them, they'll never know and likewise, you won't hear straight from the horses mouth, what their reasoning is on it.

 

[FrankRep]

TruthisTreason,

Here's a list of the Field Staff of The John Birch Society. Just click on the state and get their contact information.

Field Staff of The John Birch Society
http://www.jbs.org/index.php/about/contact-local-jbs-leaders

 

[FrankRep]

I joined because I liked most of what they stood for.

TruthisTreason,

Did you contact your local JBS field staff?

 

[jrich4rpaul]

Good video. Thanks for posting

 

[Conservative Christian]

I clicked it off when 2 sentences in they say the US is "religious based". I figure anybody that would say something like that isn't going to be right enough to make anything else they have to say worth listening to.

I guess you're going to have to kick Ron Paul to the curb then, too:

"This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people’s allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation’s Christian heritage."

--Dr. Ron Paul

 

[FrankRep]

I guess you're going to have to kick Ron Paul to the curb then, too:

I don't understand why so many people have this religious hatred.

The founders of America felt our "rights" came from God and not the government. I would view religion the same way I would view a solid currency. The rules and standards are solid and unchanging, unlike the mob rule mentality and fiat currency.

 

[OferNave]

I mostly enjoyed the video when I watched it a while ago, but believe they got some things seriously wrong. Not surprising, since they're constitutionalist, and I'm a voluntaryist. Also known as minarchism vs anarchism.

JBS does a good job representing the minarchism arguments. If you want the best presentation of the anarchism arguments to compare/contrast, I highly recommend the podcasts at http://freedomainradio.com/.

 

[FrankRep]

I mostly enjoyed the video when I watched it a while ago, but believe they got some things seriously wrong. Not surprising, since they're constitutionalist, and I'm a voluntaryist. Also known as minarchism vs anarchism.

What did the video get wrong? I would like to research it.

 

[OferNave]

What did the video get wrong? I would like to research it.

Their assumptions about anarchy, the possibility of maintaining a limited government in the long term, the morality of minarchism, etc. Like I said, I'm an anarchist, they're minarchists, so all the classical M vs A arguments apply here.

 

[FrankRep]

Their assumptions about anarchy, the possibility of maintaining a limited government in the long term, the morality of minarchism, etc. Like I said, I'm an anarchist, they're minarchists, so all the classical M vs A arguments apply here.

Can the Constitution survive in anarchy? Also, what will happen to our nuclear weapons in anarchy?