Has anyone convinced a war supporter to vote for Ron Paul

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I've tried. I haven't been able to convince any to vote for Ron Paul. I thought I had a couple almost there until the McCain CPAC speech. Any advice from anyone that's been successful would be greatly appreciated.
 
I've tried. I haven't been able to convince any to vote for Ron Paul. I thought I had a couple almost there until the McCain CPAC speech. Any advice from anyone that's been successful would be greatly appreciated.

I was one, sort of. I'm one of those people who saw through all the crap initially and was vehemently against the war in the beginning, but once we were there feared a pull out. However, I don't think there are many Americans like me who opposed the war before it started and tacitly supported it after, so I'm probably not much use. Personally, I've never found anyone like me and I haven't had any success with pro-war people.
 
I have. Not only did he support the war, but he's a devout Christian. His in-laws gave him and his wife grief for not voting for Huckabee ("You need to support your Christian brother!"...LOL! ). Just yesterday he told me that after the primary in CA.
 
Yea i need some help to with some back up for my sources. I am trying to convince my friend that our foregin policy will only strengthen the US and that "isolamo facism" will be less of a threat to our country
 
I was a war supporter

I've tried. I haven't been able to convince any to vote for Ron Paul. I thought I had a couple almost there until the McCain CPAC speech. Any advice from anyone that's been successful would be greatly appreciated.

Ron Paul convinced me to change my mind.
And the primary reason that I changed my views, was Ron Paul's principled arguments for :
"Declaring War"
"Not going to war under UN"
Strong Defense, not Offense
We are not able to afford this war
The issue is about Foreign Policy, not about war verse anti-war.



I am very pro-military, ex Navy, currently work in an industry supporting National defense and security, etc, etc. I bought into the neo-con reasoning because of my pro-military disposition. Ron Paul's arguments really awakended me and it was a moment of true transformation. We do not need to be a Super-Power. We need to be Super-Free................ respect and admiration will follow.

I think others like me would be open to Ron Paul based on the principles above.
 
I've tried. I haven't been able to convince any to vote for Ron Paul. I thought I had a couple almost there until the McCain CPAC speech. Any advice from anyone that's been successful would be greatly appreciated.

sure not only that but she was a big rudy fan (im in NJ so hes somewhat popular here) and believed all those things like REAL ID and cameras on the street were only there to make you safer and since she doesnt break the law nobody should mind etc, etc etc. Now shes all for RP.. But dont think it didnt take awhile - it did.. most of the year... But she kinda came around on her own.. Shes intelligent and she knows to go to the internet to get the information she wants.

WHat was exceptionally satisfying was when she started watching debates (beginning of January)... she started asking me questions like "Why do they ignore Ron Paul?" or "Why do they ask him kooky questions?"

she had told me that last year when I would tell her how the media ignored RP she didnt believe me and thought I was just exaggerating, but now she sees it before I even do... Its pretty hard NOT to notice when there are only 4 people onstage..
 
A lot of these war supporters are pussies who have never used a gun before, if this is the case just tell them to sign up to the military. Get the website up and tell them it's their patriotic duty. When they decline, which they will, it will be a little bit easier pushing Ron's antiwar message. For the psychos who like killing people, get them to sign up and hopefully they'll get their heads chopped off in Iraq.
 
I think it's because many of them have lost a loved one from the war and are unable to break from the kind of thinking where they beleive if they stop the war, their "child will have died in vain".
It's like you don't want to offend them but at the same time try to convince them, that we shouldn't be there. A very difficult task because there is so much emotion.

That's one dirty trick the neo-cons use isn't it? To say we would be leaving those soldiers down if we "cut and run" . It creates a situation where it makes it almost impossible, for us to argue withought coming off negative.
 
Check out some of the links under the section in KnowBeforeYouVote.com for the *truth* on what an immediate withdrawal means in Iraq.

It is all under the section that reads:

SOURCES indicate that even though many Americans believe leaving Iraq in 6 months to 1 year would lead to chaos and make Iraqis angry with us, inciting more terrorism, THE MAJORITYOF IRAQIS disagree with this and want the U.S. out of Iraq IMMEDIATLY. Additionally, Iraqi leaders have been stating for over a year now that they are READY AND ABLE to take over security, but the U.S. refuses to let them and that the U.S. presence is the main contributing factor to the continued instability in the region.
 
We do not need to be a Super-Power. We need to be Super-Free................ respect and admiration will follow.

I think others like me would be open to Ron Paul based on the principles above.

I've tried that angle to no avail. I'm surrounded by people who are terrified that the Islamofascists are going to move in tomorrow and declare Sharia Law. I even point out that our civil liberties are being taking away. I get labeled a conspiracy nut more than I get taken seriously. I never mention the CFR, NAU, or any of those groups that people have no idea about.

Apparently, winning in Iraq is more important than our rights and economy here at home.
 
I've tried that angle to no avail. I'm surrounded by people who are terrified that the Islamofascists are going to move in tomorrow and declare Sharia Law. I even point out that our civil liberties are being taking away. I get labeled a conspiracy nut more than I get taken seriously. I never mention the CFR, NAU, or any of those groups that people have no idea about.

Apparently, winning in Iraq is more important than our rights and economy here at home.

Tell them to sign up to the military if they support it. When they don't, call them a pussy coward.
 
Yes, sort of. I can't take much of the credit since he used to live in Paul's district so he knows what kind of person Paul really is but wasn't going to vote for him untill he started hearing more and more about loss of civil liberties and the economy.
 
When I talk with the pro war people I use the same tact as RP....We can end the war voluntarily or it will end anyway because we are bankrupt, we can't afford it! People respond when hearing "a trillion dollars borrowed from China to carry on the war". I also bring up the impending draft that will be instituted if these wars continue.
 
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I've converted several workmates that are pro-war. And the way I convenced them was by focusing on everything else. Everytime they said, "But he wants to leave Iraq." I responded with "So does Hillary and Obama....and only Ron can beat them." They never argued that point....ever. Eventually, and this took monthes, they said, "you know, you're right. Regardless of who gets elected, the war in Iraq is going to come to an end...so we're not taking the war into consideration for our votes anymore." And that, as they say, was that. They 'support' Ron Paul while they hold their noses....."He's better than everyone else" they now say.


But they think Newt would have been better.
 
I always win that argument.
War against terrorists is fought with spies, and not the military.

I suggest you read the Art on War by Sun Tzu on the 'use of spies' - and keep in mind that the goal of studying the Art of War is to preserve and maintain peace.

Consider my avatar.
 
Yes, I have. Several.

In my humble opinion a critical point of approach for many people can be focusing on the fact that conservatives have opposed interventionism, "we all railed against Clinton for it during his administration..Somalia, Bosnia, Haiti...conservatives in Congress pointed out how these things were unconstitutional - that was the conservative position."
But don't attack them by saying - you used to be believe this so you should believe it again. Instead, I approach more with the observation, like I'm sharing my thoughts, lamenting the thought that conservatives as a whole have been duped into changing their position to an unconstitutional one. It really makes people stop to think as opposed to getting defensive if they're questioned directly.

I've had people come back and point to 9/11 and how that changed things, and I respond with something along the lines of, "but did the world really fundamentally change? Is the world fundamentally really much more scary and dangerous than it was before 2001? wasn't there al queda and bin laden before 9/11? Didn't they believe in the same extreme form of islam back then? We were attacked by them previously, just not on the same scale -- WTC was attacked during Clinton, then there was USS Cole, and possibly even Oklahoma City, but conservatives still believed in the constitution. Even though Clinton wanted to send in troops to Somalia in part because it was a hotbed for terrorists, conservatives still stood by what was right -- saying that interventionism is wrong, nation building is wrong, and policing the world is NOT what we want to be doing. Heck, Bush campaigned specifically based on those conservative principles in 2000, and we supported him because of it!"
 
I've tried that angle to no avail. I'm surrounded by people who are terrified that the Islamofascists are going to move in tomorrow and declare Sharia Law. I even point out that our civil liberties are being taking away. I get labeled a conspiracy nut more than I get taken seriously. I never mention the CFR, NAU, or any of those groups that people have no idea about.

Apparently, winning in Iraq is more important than our rights and economy here at home.


Remind them why Hitler was able to garner the public support that he did. He created a sense of fear throughout the German population. People motivated by fear perform acts that in hindsight are reprehensible to our sensibilities.

We must always be motivated by truth. Ask them what they believe their truth to be.
 
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