Has anyone convinced a war supporter to vote for Ron Paul

[emilysdad]

This is why I referenced the war have you showed him the horror of the war yet.
I do not see Jihadist outside my window. I see illegal Guatemalans. Does he have have children that could be drafted. How old is is wife if she is under 40 she could be drafted. McCain called for the draft the other day and Hillary is looking for mandatory military service. If he is radio brainwashed you could maybe show him which border is more important to him. The borders in Iraq or the Borders in the United States.

Yeah, I kinda got off topic, sorry. I have given him everything I know, the patriot act, military commissions, hr 1955, nspd51 and the draft act hr393, to absolutely no avail. I have sent him video's, but he never watches them. He is an imperialist, believes it in his heart. Yes, he has three sons 15yr,17, 19.

My brother is not the only one. Our group had farmers market booth for 6 months and we talked to thousands of people. The "war" issue was the most common negative.

I have found no answer. I suspect these kind of people will just have to stumble across the answer on their own, I know many who have.

 

[slantedview]

what ironic is war supporters won't vote for paul, but anti-war folks stupidly vote for mccain.

 

[teshuah]

yes, but he's a very conservative cop who is motivated by the fear of the impending police state.

 

[theantirobot]

I did. I worked with the guy. Everyday we'd talk. Eventually I got him by telling him that the Iraqis were not going to stop fighting us. If there were two groups of Iraqis fighting for power they will continue to fight, because as long as we are there, neither has power. The sooner we leave the sooner they can figure it out themselves.

 

[mconder]

No, but I know most of the anti-war vote is going to McCain.

 

[hawks4ronpaul]

I live in NJ, so the vast majority here don't have guns. It's illegal to have an "imitation firearm" (ie nurf gun). You are right though about the others.

States like NJ are likely to vote Democrat in November anyway, although they matter for primaries.

http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

 

[emilysdad]

what ironic is war supporters won't vote for paul, but anti-war folks stupidly vote for mccain.

ad the irony amnesty supporters won't vote for Paul, but anti amnesty supporters vote for McCain.

irony + irony = ignorance, stupidity or voter fraud

 

[steph3n]

I've tried. I haven't been able to convince any to vote for Ron Paul. I thought I had a couple almost there until the McCain CPAC speech. Any advice from anyone that's been successful would be greatly appreciated.

yes, my dad

 

[qh4dotcom]

I think it's because many of them have lost a loved one from the war and are unable to break from the kind of thinking where they beleive if they stop the war, their "child will have died in vain".
It's like you don't want to offend them but at the same time try to convince them, that we shouldn't be there. A very difficult task because there is so much emotion.

That's one dirty trick the neo-cons use isn't it? To say we would be leaving those soldiers down if we "cut and run" . It creates a situation where it makes it almost impossible, for us to argue withought coming off negative.

4,000 have died in the war...if you multiply that by the average of family members who share your point of view....it's nowhere near the millions of war supporters.

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

States like NJ are likely to vote Democrat in November anyway (sorry, nothing personal).

They matter for primaries though.

http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

NJ is such a dump, I'm only sticking around because I have a decent job. When I get a bit more experience on my resume I'm getting the hell out of here. I have to say, this is by far the ugliest, filthiest, shittiest state I've ever been to. Not to mention the people here definitely take the cake when it comes to being selfish and ignorant.

 

[durden0]

I've tried. I haven't been able to convince any to vote for Ron Paul. I thought I had a couple almost there until the McCain CPAC speech. Any advice from anyone that's been successful would be greatly appreciated.

I was a war supporter previously. But my support was based on the idea that America could own and operate an empire, not from fear of terrorists. I had no illusions that we were in danger, and fully understood the reasons they attack us. The thing that convinced me was the money issue. I no longer believe we can sustain an empire in it's current model. I have also since joining the revolution, realized my errors in thinking this way based on the founder's wise advise and the constitution. As Ron says, freedom and democracy can not be delivered through the barrel of a gun. There are much better ways to spread peace then wars.

 

[steph3n]

I was a war supporter previously. But my support was based on the idea that America could own and operate an empire, not from fear of terrorists. I had no illusions that we were in danger, and fully understood the reasons they attack us. The thing that convinced me was the money issue. I no longer believe we can sustain an empire in it's current model. I have also since joining the revolution, realized my errors in thinking this way based on the founder's wise advise and the constitution. As Ron says, freedom and democracy can not be delivered through the barrel of a gun. There are much better ways to spread peace then wars.

sound like me back in August

 

[tonyr1988]

My dad was (and still is) a supporter of the Iraqi war. He's not a huge "Stay the Course, ya dirty hippies!" guy, but he thinks we should stay for a while.

I've been pounding Ron Paul into his head for close to a year now. He has never voted in a primary or cared about them. His mantra was "I let the two teams decide, and I choose between them." He voted this year, for Paul. Originally, he said "Well, I guess I'll vote for Ron Paul this year, since you've been working so hard for it." (I didn't complain - that's a vote! ).

But, ever since a few days ago, he's been getting more excited about the message. He's checking out the official site, the YouTubes, etc. He told my grandma the other day (who voted for Romney so that McCain wouldn't win *rolls eyes*), "I think we kinda messed up for not paying attention to this Paul guy earlier - he seems like the only real conservative."

Sorry, I'm a little long-winded. I'll wrap it up.

What was the biggest thing that gave him an epiphany? He heard a RP radio ad, and was absolutely amazed that, in 20 years in Congress, he didn't once vote for a tax increase. It was that simple. I know I had told him that before, but I think it took a while to sink in how awesome that it.

So keep pounding Paul into people (respectfully ).

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

My dad was (and still is) a supporter of the Iraqi war. He's not a huge "Stay the Course, ya dirty hippies!" guy, but he thinks we should stay for a while.

I've been pounding Ron Paul into his head for close to a year now. He has never voted in a primary or cared about them. His mantra was "I let the two teams decide, and I choose between them." He voted this year, for Paul. Originally, he said "Well, I guess I'll vote for Ron Paul this year, since you've been working so hard for it." (I didn't complain - that's a vote! ).

But, ever since a few days ago, he's been getting more excited about the message. He's checking out the official site, the YouTubes, etc. He told my grandma the other day (who voted for Romney so that McCain wouldn't win *rolls eyes*), "I think we kinda messed up for not paying attention to this Paul guy earlier - he seems like the only real conservative."

Sorry, I'm a little long-winded. I'll wrap it up.

What was the biggest thing that gave him an epiphany? He heard a RP radio ad, and was absolutely amazed that, in 20 years in Congress, he didn't once vote for a tax increase. It was that simple. I know I had told him that before, but I think it took a while to sink in how awesome that it.

So keep pounding Paul into people (respectfully ).

I do hate when people vote before they research, but I got to say it sounds like you are doing your part. Keep up the good work.

 

[Vendico]

Ron Paul convinced me to change my mind.
And the primary reason that I changed my views, was Ron Paul's principled arguments for :
"Declaring War"
"Not going to war under UN"
Strong Defense, not Offense
We are not able to afford this war
The issue is about Foreign Policy, not about war verse anti-war.



I am very pro-military, ex Navy, currently work in an industry supporting National defense and security, etc, etc. I bought into the neo-con reasoning because of my pro-military disposition. Ron Paul's arguments really awakended me and it was a moment of true transformation. We do not need to be a Super-Power. We need to be Super-Free................ respect and admiration will follow.

I think others like me would be open to Ron Paul based on the principles above.

good post

 

[Crickett]

I've tried that angle to no avail. I'm surrounded by people who are terrified that the Islamofascists are going to move in tomorrow and declare Sharia Law. I even point out that our civil liberties are being taking away. I get labeled a conspiracy nut more than I get taken seriously. I never mention the CFR, NAU, or any of those groups that people have no idea about.

Apparently, winning in Iraq is more important than our rights and economy here at home.

First, they have to KNOW that the terrorists did NOT come from Iraq! They do not really believe this as the MSM has numbed their minds that all "those" people are BAD. Are they hating a race like Hitler did with the innocent Jews? Do they want many of their own neighbors executed because they COULD maybe murder someone some day? Then, you have to make them understand WHY terrorists would come here. The whole "they come here because we are free and prosperous" will not ring true to even them if they say it out loud.

 

[kgiese]

Veteran

I am a veteran of the Gulf War. I fully support Ron Paul. I just hope he isn't a quitter. The reason I signed up for the military was to fight for freedom. The problem is that when I got home I found there were more problems in America, then out in the rest of the world. America needs to lead by example. Remove the plank from your own eye, so that you may better see to remove the sliver from your neighbor. America is made up of many races, religions, and ideas. People can agree to disagree.

I don't know how anyone can talk about crazy things and not sound crazy, but here it goes:

More Americans have died in America, then all the troops, since the beginning of the Gulf War. Here are two articles for consideration:
http://www.forbes.com/2007/11/08/murder-city-danger-forbeslife-cx_de_1108murder.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/0412/54253

I don't know the answers to all these questions, but you should be finding the answers.
What is the cause of so much violence at home?
Which causes more deaths, marijuana overdoses or cars? Why were Levi's jeans first made with hemp? How much stronger is hemp than cotton. Which would you want?
When were there the most gun related deaths with alcohol?
How much of your tax dollar goes to pay for the war on drugs?
How much tax revenue is generated by the sale of illegal drugs in America?
What happens to a cities crime rate when a prison is built there?
How many prisons are added in America each year?
What is your average life expectancy?
Why can't you own property in America and not be taxed to live there? or why can't you pay off your property?
What is inflation?
How many different types of taxes are you forced to pay?
What percentage of your pay goes to taxes? At what percentage of pay was the Boston Tea Party held?
If disease and traffic deaths account for most of the loss of life in America, then why is all the money spent on war and not safer transportation, see SuperTrains (ICE train), or prevention and cures of diseases.
What does America stand for? What scientific proof do you have to offer to support this?
How does Amersterdam maintain a lower crime rate than America while making cocaine and heroin as common as a beer in America?
Why is Switzerland safer than America, if they issue all males living there an assault rifle to form a national militia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland
Why do American automobiles get the same gas mileage they got in the 70's?
Why aren't innovative new ideas given more funding? Where does your money go, 401k?
What is a fuel cell? Teslamotors.com
What is a high-speed rail? How many people ride them? How safe are they?
How does my local education system compare to other schools in my state? nation? world?
Why doesn't the United States have a Nationally accepted four year college curriculum?

What is psyops? Is it used on Americans?
What medical effects do radio frequencies have on the body?
On politicians that say to get a job: It is your job to make sure there are good jobs available. You are paid from taxes. Taxes are paid by people with good jobs. Better jobs means more money in your pocket. How would you earn a living, if it weren't off of someone elses labor? What does Politics stand for in Latin?

Spying on Americans: If you aren't doing anything wrong, then you shouldn't have anything to worry about. What were the jews, blacks, and gays doing wrong in Germany? Who else was targeted during that time?

Why would you build a freeway and put a stop sign on it? How much time is wasted waiting in line at toll boths each day? What is the amount of extra fuel required to stop and wait on the freeway? Why don't they build roads instead of tolls? Why don't they create smaller vehicles, or super trains, or spend money for a new idea all together?

In our education system we are taught to answer questions. Maybe we should spend a little more time learning to ask some questions.

What you don't know can hurt you. There are some great things going on outside of America. Incorporating them into the American way of life is what makes America great.

 

[Vendico]

I've been able to get them interested in the terrorist/pirate argument. But then they revert back to "we can't leave Iraq, it'll be chaos!" I remind them what Petraeus said in January, 6 more months to determine if we've made any gains and that the Iraqis are not coming together in Parliament. "But we can't surrender!" Who would we be surrendering to? Who will meet us to sign the treaties? "We are winning."

It's like whack-a-mole. Everytime they agree with something, they revert right back to where they were or they bring up the desire to end the IRS and call Paul delusioned.

keep working on them. Send them a bunch of videos. They'll watch those over reading.

 

[Xenophage]

I actually supported the Iraqi invasion when we first went in... I was duped about the weapons of mass destruction thing, and duped into believing that Saddam had something to do with propping up the terrorists.

I later felt the Iraq invasion was a mistake, but that we needed to stay and clean up our mess, and make sure things weren't going to deteriorate.

Now, I believe strongly that staying in Iraq or involving ourselves at all in the middle eastern political scheme is simply counter-productive. Ron Paul opened my mind to this possibility, and I was then convinced quite well by him and others.

I'll always be more critical of any decision to go to war in the future, and especially hostile to any entertainment of preemptive war.

 

[qh4dotcom]

I actually supported the Iraqi invasion when we first went in... I was duped about the weapons of mass destruction thing, and duped into believing that Saddam had something to do with propping up the terrorists.

I later felt the Iraq invasion was a mistake, but that we needed to stay and clean up our mess, and make sure things weren't going to deteriorate.

Now, I believe strongly that staying in Iraq or involving ourselves at all in the middle eastern political scheme is simply counter-productive. Ron Paul opened my mind to this possibility, and I was then convinced quite well by him and others.

I'll always be more critical of any decision to go to war in the future, and especially hostile to any entertainment of preemptive war.

I did not believe the weapons of mass destruction thing from the beginning.

Why? Because Saddam is like Fidel Castro...as long as Castro minds his own business and does not threaten the security of the US he gets to stay in power.

Saddam was minding his own business before George Bush came to power. I could not see Saddam doing something so stupid as to risk losing his extravagant lifestyle.