Haiti earthquake may reveal major oil and gas reserves.

or Ron Paul ;)

Yeah, I'd like to see where Ron Paul actually states we are occupying Hati with nefarious intentions. Got a link for that?

And his nay vote does not imply an occupation, just in case that's where you're going on this.
 
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Apparently there is an even bigger coincidence in relation to the crisis in Haiti. Our Gov't have been setting up for a disaster like this for 3 years with a hi tech networking system to coordinate relief efforts. SOUTHCOM was preparing to test it's new system with A SCENARIO THAT INVOLEVED A HURRICANE IN HAITI ON THE SAME DAY! Since disaster struck on the day they were planning to do a test run anyway, they decide to just go ahead and go live and use the fully operational system. SO MANY COINCIDENCES, so few open minds....here's the link...
http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20100115_9940.php
 
You've already posted this elsewhere.

You have been posting the same thing over and over and over and over and over again :(
 
Apparently there is an even bigger coincidence in relation to the crisis in Haiti. Our Gov't have been setting up for a disaster like this for 3 years with a hi tech networking system to coordinate relief efforts. SOUTHCOM was preparing to test it's new system with A SCENARIO THAT INVOLEVED A HURRICANE IN HAITI ON THE SAME DAY! Since disaster struck on the day they were planning to do a test run anyway, they decide to just go ahead and go live and use the fully operational system. SO MANY COINCIDENCES, so few open minds....here's the link...
http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20100115_9940.php

What an incredible coincidence! esp second para and 4th from the last.

I didn't read it in other threads, generally stay out of hot topics. I did follow the link to the thread there you posted earlier and stopped reading as soon as I saw the title. That's not a thread I would have read even if if it wasn't in hot topics.

-t
 
What an incredible coincidence! esp second para and 4th from the last.

I didn't read it in other threads, generally stay out of hot topics. I did follow the link to the thread there you posted earlier and stopped reading as soon as I saw the title. That's not a thread I would have read even if if it wasn't in hot topics.

-t

Well originally posted here in but it was moved to hot topics...maybe i can repost it with a diff thread title? but there is alot of info in that thread...
 
Backstory)

I was watching the Colbert Report from a few a few days ago, And Kathleen Sebelius, (Guest on his show, Secretary of Health and Human Services), Told everyone to Donate to the American Red Cross for Haiti Relief through their Cell Phones. ($10 donation)


While I respect the situation in Haiti, and feel for the people there, I have never really trusted the Red Cross.

Too many nefarious connections, too many lost dollars, too many bad vibes...


So, instead of denigrating them, I decided to do some digging into the Red Cross.

This thread is a the story of the connections that I found:


First, to understand the American Red Cross, we will have to look at its leadership, known as the "Board of Directors" their terms began in 2009.



*Gail J. McGovern (President, CEO)

*Ann Kaplan (Vice Chairman of the Executive Committee; Vice Chair of the Compensation and Management Development Committee)

*Suzanne Nora Johnson (Executive Committee; Chair of the Compensation and Management Development Committee)

*Paula E. Boggs (Audit and Risk Management Committee)

*Allan Goldberg (Chair, QRC Subcommittee, Audit and Risk Management Committee)

*Sanford "Sandy" Belden (Chair of the Audit and Risk Management Committee; Executive Committee)

*Steve Wunning (Vice Chair, Audit and Risk Management Committee; Compensation and Management Development Committee)

*Cesar Aristeiguieta (Audit and Risk Management Committee)

*H. Marshall Schwarz (Audit and Risk Management Committee)

*Melanie Sabelhaus (Chair, Philanthropy Committee; Executive Committee)

*Richard M. Fountain (Vice Chair, Philanthropy Committee)

*Jerry "James" Goodwin (Philanthropy Committee)

*Richard Patton (Philanthropy Committee)

*Bonnie McElveen-Hunter (Chairman, Executive Committee)

*Joe Pereles (Vice Chairman, Executive Committee)

*Laurence E. Paul (Vice Chairman – Finance, Executive Committee)

*Jim Keyes (Vice Chair, Governance and Board Development Committee)

*Youngme Moon (Governance and Board Development Committee)

*Anna Maria Larsen (Governance and Board Development Committee)



There... Now that we got the Board of Directors out of the way...

Let's get to the meat of the story, shall we?




Starbucks is a company that sells coffee.

I think this is common knowledge, but did you know that one of Haiti's primary exports is coffee?

Minimum wage disputes have long been an issue in Haiti, the previous minimum wage was 70 gourdes ($1.75) per day, that the Parliament voted to increase to 200 gourdes ($5) per day.

This attempt was rebuffed by president René Préval, and an agreement was reached to set the minimum wage at 125 gourdes per day instead.

This decision came upon Business concerns over the economic ramifications of raising the minimum wage.

Haiti's special economic situation revolves around its low payed workers, the duty free exports to the united states, and its proximity to the united states markets.

http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-18428--6-6--.html

Interestingly enough, Paula E. Boggs, Executive vice president, general counsel and secretary of Starbucks Coffee Company, is also on the Audit and Risk Management Committee of the American Red Cross.

http://alumni.jhu.edu/distinguishedalumni2009


The Haitian leadership has been plagued over the years with scandals of kickbacks, embezzlement, and extortion.

None so prolific as the financial abuse of the Haitian owned Telecom company, whose funds were imbezzled by then president Jean-Bertrand Aristide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Be...lecom_revenues

It should come as no surprise that the Hatian telcom market is so lucrative, considering the numerous Haitians living within the continental United States who call their relatives in Haiti.

The Kickbacks were in the form of "Connection Termination Charges" that were placed onto the US callers, and the funds were handled by the Latin American division of AT&T, whom Aristide ordered to move to a numbered offshore bank account in Panama, while he was in the United States.

The international TelCom Industries has been trying to get the Haitian Government to Publicize the State owned Telcom company for quite some time...

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=12990

Now that they have been hit by this Giant Quake... The Haitian Government may have no choice in the matter.

Oddly Enough, Gail J. McGovern, the President/CEO of the American Red Cross, also holds a Top managing Position at AT&T.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gail_J._McGovern


The rebuilding effort in Haiti will likely require huge amounts of money, and expensive machinery.

The Restructuring of the Manufacturing base in Haiti will require precision tools and other services.

This effort will more than likely cost millions of dollars.

One Company that has graciously committed to help in the rebuilding efforts, is Caterpillar Inc. the manufacturer of heavy construction machinery.

And, Lucky for them, Steve Wunning the Vice Chair of Audit and Risk Management Committee and member of the Compensation and Management Development Committee of the American Red Cross... Just so happens to be the Group President of Caterpillar Inc. and ALSO, the Director of Kennametal Inc. (Precision tool manufacturer)

http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml


The serious situation in Haiti is exacerbated by the poor health records for the country.

AIDS in Haiti effects one in ten.

The medicines that will be required by the Red Cross to help the suffering of the Haitian people will in all likelihood cost millions of dollars.

Luckily, Merck has a viable AIDS treatment drug, "Isentress" (Raltegravir) that could help, in addition to being a HUGE supplier of other pharmaceuticals.

Such an Odd coincidence, that Allan Goldberg, The Chair for the QRC Subcommittee and member of the Audit and Risk Management Committee for the American Red Cross... Also happens to be the Executive Director at Merck and Co. Inc.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/allan-goldberg/11/694/1bb


I swear, the Deeper I look into this thing, the Nastier it gets.


Ann Kaplan (Vice Chairman of the Executive Committee; Vice Chair of the Compensation and Management Development Committee) serves on the Boards of Financial Guaranty Insurance Company and the Goldman Sachs Bank.
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/secretary...lan/index.html

Suzanne Nora Johnson (Executive Committee; Chair of the Compensation and Management Development Committee)
is an American corporate lawyer and executive. Until 2007, she was Vice Chairman of Goldman Sachs, Chairman of the Global Markets Institute, head of the firm's Global Investment Research Division, and a member of the firm's Management Committee.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanne_Nora_Johnson


I keep hearing Theories about how the Haiti Earthquake was *CAUSED* by some earthquake machine, or Bombs or whatever....

And I tell ya, it looks less and less far fetched the deeper into this story I go.

Interesting, No?


..............repost of original thread
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=227418

i urge everyone to read the info in there and disregard the ignorant comments
 
Yeah, I'd like to see where Ron Paul actually states we are occupying Hati with nefarious intentions. Got a link for that?

And his nay vote does not imply an occupation, just in case that's where you're going on this.

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=547

Do nations occupy other nations for anything besides malevolent reasons?

Of course they'll give some fancy PR story, show a few feel-good stories and then ignore it as it continues. I saw this on Fox the other night when they talked about U.S Military rescuing people and the watch footage of the U.S Military giving aid in one of the worst slums in Port-au-Prince. All PR stunts, every occupier does it for their own people to draw support.
 
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here

Statement of Congressman Ron Paul

United States House of Representatives

Statement in Opposition to H Res 1021, Condolences to Haiti

January 21, 2010

I rise in reluctant opposition to this resolution. Certainly I am moved by the horrific destruction in Haiti and would without hesitation express condolences to those who have suffered and continue to suffer. As a medical doctor, I have through my career worked to alleviate the pain and suffering of others. Unfortunately, however, this resolution does not simply express our condolences, but rather it commits the US government “to begin the reconstruction of Haiti” and affirms that “the recovery and long-term needs of Haiti will require a sustained commitment by the United States….” I do not believe that a resolution expressing our deep regret and sorrow over this tragedy should be used to commit the United States to a “long-term” occupation of Haiti during which time the US government will provide for the reconstruction of that country.
I am concerned over the possibility of an open-ended US military occupation of Haiti and this legislation does nothing to alleviate my concerns. On the contrary, when this resolution refers to the need for a long term US plan for Haiti, I see a return to the failed attempts by the Clinton and Bush Administrations to establish Haiti as an American protectorate. Already we are seeing many argue that this kind of humanitarian mission is a perfect fit for the US military. I do not agree.
Certainly I would support and encourage the efforts of the American people to help the people of Haiti at this tragic time. I believe that the American people are very generous on their own and fear that a US government commitment to reconstruct Haiti may actually discourage private contributions. Mr. Speaker, already we see private US citizens and corporations raising millions of dollars for relief and reconstruction of Haiti. I do not believe the US government should get in the way of these laudable efforts. I do express my condolences but I unfortunately must urge my colleagues to vote against this resolution committing the United States government to rebuild Haiti.
 
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=547

Do nations occupy other nations for anything besides malevolent reasons?

Of course they'll give some fancy PR story, show a few feel-good stories and then ignore it as it continues. I saw this on Fox the other night when they talked about U.S Military rescuing people and the watch footage of the U.S Military giving aid in one of the worst slums in Port-au-Prince. All PR stunts, every occupier does it for their own people to draw support.

Dr. Paul does not imply our military has any intentions other than helping out the Haitian people. He's simply pointing out the flaws in our government taking on such a roll especially the whole "sustained commitment" part.
 
Dr. Paul does not imply our military has any intentions other than helping out the Haitian people. He's simply pointing out the flaws in our government taking on such a roll especially the whole "sustained commitment" part.

Then why does he call it a "long term military occupation" and not a "long term humanitarian mission"?
 
Then why does he call it a "long term military occupation" and not a "long term humanitarian mission"?

Well seeing as its a military mission, I can understand the choice of words in that respect.

Currently our military appears to be there to help the people of Haiti and provide security for the benefit of both the Haitians and the aid workers. I think its irresponsible at this time to assume there is any nefarious intentions without direct evidence. There is tons of work to be done in order to help out this devastated country which does not have the resources to help itself. Considering the dire circumstances and intimidate need for help, I am giving those there offering aid and assistance the benefit of the doubt.
 
Well seeing as its a military mission, I can understand the choice of words in that respect.

Currently our military appears to be there to help the people of Haiti and provide security for the benefit of both the Haitians and the aid workers. I think its irresponsible at this time to assume there is any nefarious intentions without direct evidence. There is tons of work to be done in order to help out this devastated country which does not have the resources to help itself. Considering the dire circumstances and intimidate need for help, I am giving those there offering aid and assistance the benefit of the doubt.

If you looked into the issue you would know our military is doing anything but providing aid. They are hampering the aid efforts and potentially allowing even more people to die.

Regardless, Ron Paul used the term occupation. An occupation is

oc⋅cu⋅pa⋅tion
–noun
5. the seizure and control of an area by military forces, esp. foreign territory.

Give me an example of any military occupation that has helped the people that were living there.
 
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Obama sent the 82nd Airborn Division - here is their mission statement, straight from the horses mouth....

http://www.bragg.army.mil/82DV/Mission.html

82nd Airborne Division Mission

Within 18 hours of notification, the 82nd Airborne Division strategically deploys, conducts forcible entry parachute assault and secures key objectives for follow-on military operations in support of U.S. national interests. 12/30/2009

-t
 
If you looked into the issue you would know our military is doing anything but providing aid. They are hampering the aid efforts and potentially allowing even more people to die.

Regardless, Ron Paul used the term occupation. An occupation is

oc⋅cu⋅pa⋅tion
–noun
5. the seizure and control of an area by military forces, esp. foreign territory.

Give me an example of any military occupation that has helped the people that were living there.


I honestly just think Dr. Paul choose those words for the same reason I tread a little lightly on the subject when debating. People usually response with:

"So you think those troops are down there to take control of poor Haitian people? You hate the men and women of the armed forces."

It takes too long to try to explain to a bleeding heart or a Neo-Con that there is a difference between a solder on the ground and where the orders and long term strategy come from.
 
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