Haiti earthquake may reveal major oil and gas reserves.

[dannno]

I do not think Ron would have a problem with that considering his comments in the Russia Today interview.


In the short term this is one case considering their hellish existance and so close to our shores I do not think that is a bad thing. I would rather some of our jobs go there rather than China. It would be far worse having an influx of Hiatians coming here, taking jobs or living off our welfare system.

Although Ron seems ok in the short term using troops long term is another issue.
http://www.ronpaul.com/2010-01-22/ron-paul-on-haiti-condolences-yes-occupation-no/

Again, you're equating the bankers going in and forcing them into debt and stealing their resources to free markets, just as I explained in my posts that your idea on this is flawed, which is the main idea of all my posts, and you are trying to say that the ideas I attribute to you are untrue.. but you continue to demonstrate your ignorance on this issue TIME AND TIME AGAIN. It's ridiculous. I don't think I've said earthquake once in any of my posts and YOU keep attributing me for defending the man-made earthquake theory. I believe it is very plausible, yes, in fact I think it is probable. I've never said that is what happened, but it's irrelevant, because your views on this entire matter stem from a catastrophic amount of ignorance.

PLEASE READ THIS NOW AND STOP POSTING WHAT YOU THINK RON PAUL BELIEVES UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY READ WHAT HE BELIEVES BECAUSE YOU ARE SEVERELY MISINFORMED ON THIS TOPIC:

After reading Kahless very well rounded thought, I was inspired to pull this piece from Ron Paul's "Freedom Under Seige" (1987)

Foreign Policy options of the conservatives and the liberals are, in reality, only a variation of a single interventionist policy. It is only the direction of the intervention that is different and open to debate. Another option must be made available from which the American people may choose. The policy of neutrality is morally correct for major world powers as well as small nations. By what authority does any country interfere in the internal affairs of another? When a major power interferes, it literally becomes a bully. The excuse for intervention is usually in moralistic terms, arguing that it is for the benefit of the world or a policy of making the world "safe for democracy" and for the purpose of making poor nations prosperous. These are excuses, not reasons based on morality. Officially, getting openly involved in the internal affairs of other nations is always at the host country's request. Those interfering claim they do so by popular support, but the people are never consulted. Our foreign aid goes either to fascist or socialist nations, benefiting the rulers by solidifying their power and impeding the development of a free society and a free-market economy. The outcome of even the best motivated assistance is usually the opposite of that which was intended. When economic assistance is sent to other nations with the intention of helping the poor, the poor recieve a small fraction of what is sent. But the worst part of all this is that the assistance perpetuates the entire system that causes the impoverishment in the first place and makes it more difficult than ever for the people of that country to achieve more liberty. Even if aid and interference were handled wisely by patriotic Americans, they could not be justified on moral grounds. If we assume that it is proper for the United States government to meddle in any way in the internal affairs of other nations - even if for noble reasons - the door is then opened for the ruthless who could then intervene for the worst reasons - aiding fascism, socialism, or communism or for personal gain. Providing aid to those struggling to be free by first expropriating funds from innocent Americans cannot be justified. Freedom cannot be spread through a policy of force which violates another man's freedom. When providing assistance, it is logical to expect some national benefit in return. The policies of nations that have received aid obviously have greater significance to us than those who have not received help. If their policies do not conform to the policies of the United States administration in power, threats, and even assisting in coups, are then said to be justified. After a few decades of international intervention, with economic assistance and covert operations for "national security" the noble original purpose is entirely forgotten. The doors are then opened to almost any type of foreign involvement.......


If you haven't read the book...you should.

 

[dannno]

It is ridiculous for you to come in here and argue that these big banks that put these people into debt are going to help the people of Haiti. Don't you understand that the vast majority of not all of us are against central banks on this forum?? Don't you understand that we believe central banks are what poverty stems from?? And you come in here and try to convince us that Haiti needs a central bank and a bunch of mega corporations to go in and dominate their economy and make us think that it is going to help them prosper?? And equating that to a free market economy? You have to be insane. There is literally no other option I can think of.

 

[Cinderella]

but it's irrelevant, because your views on this entire matter stem from a catastrophic amount of ignorance.

lol

 

[kahless]

They are going to pay outside contractors exorbitant funds which the Haitians cannot afford and put them further into debt. They are going to make things even worse there. At least they had places to live before, now they won't because it will be too damn expensive.

Did you read Cinderella's thread? There are plenty of business interests willing to capitalize off this and put the nation into debt. Then they trade the debt for resources. Do you think they are using market rates? Do you think this has any semblence to the free market? If you do, you are blind. They are robbing the Haitians blind is precisely what they are doing and what they have done for a long long time. This is a pattern that is extremely obvious from very little study.

^^I never disagreed with you here. I want free markets and sound money for Haiti such as Ron Pauls describe in his own words. You are putting words in my mouth to believe I am for anything else.

btw - to even entertain that we created the earthquake leads me to believe you guys need to get outside, stay off the internet and stop watching the Sci-Fi channel for a week.

Try TruTv, did you watch the episode I linked to above? We have the power to create earthquakes, Ventura suggested that the earthquake in the South Pacific that caused the tsunamis was a test of the HAARP system which is capable.

By the way, do you have cable tv? I don't. Maybe watching the sci-fi channel is what helps to convince you that this stuff is all fiction?

^^ To me that sounds an awfully lot like you are saying it was in fact man made.

It is ridiculous for you to come in here and argue that these big banks that put these people into debt are going to help the people of Haiti. Don't you understand that the vast majority of not all of us are against central banks on this forum?? Don't you understand that we believe central banks are what poverty stems from?? And you come in here and try to convince us that Haiti needs a central bank and a bunch of mega corporations to go in and dominate their economy and make us think that it is going to help them prosper?? And equating that to a free market economy? You have to be insane. There is literally no other option I can think of.

Wrong poster since I never made such comments.

Here again our Ron Pauls owns words

Ron Paul said:
They need to be introduced to the philosophy of free markets and sound money, so they can be more prosperous, build better houses. But in the meantime, if we’re in the region and nearby and people are suffering, some of our ability, whether it’s military or not, could be useful in helping them out just in a humanitarian sense. That would be a lot better than using the military personnel over in the Middle East lobbing bombs on different countries. So, under the circumstances I would say that would be a better use of the military.

Here again I agree with Ron Paul and add this comment to it.

In the short term this is one case considering their hellish existance and so close to our shores I do not think this is a bad thing. I would rather some of our jobs go there rather than China. It would be far worse having an influx of Hiatians coming here, taking jobs or living off our welfare system.

You continually accuse me of ignorance well you win since I agree to the extent I was ignorant to waste my time expecting a rational response from someone that is continually an obnoxious prick like yourself in every thread. You want to run on making up shit about what I said then go ahead since I am done posting in this thread.

 

[dannno]

^^I never disagreed with you here. I want free markets and sound money for Haiti such as Ron Pauls describe in his own words. You are putting words in my mouth to believe I am for anything else.
...
Wrong poster since I never made such comments.

BS

The more money and business flowing into Haiti even if it is limited will still improve the standard of living. Without it these people will continue to live a hellish existance. Truly amazing people are so caught up in their hate-blame America crap they fail to recognize the good.

^^ To me that sounds an awfully lot like you are saying it was in fact man made.

In the quote above that in your own post (don't try to hide it) you said that we shouldn't even ENTERTAIN the idea of a manmade earthquake.. my rebuttle was that we should entertain it because we have the capability to do so and the interests have been thoroughly documented. I posted the Ventura episode which shows that we do have the capability and Ventura hypothesized that the earthquake in the South Pacific could have been triggered by the weapon. What I am saying is that in all probability, based on what we know about of the mysteriously convenient connections between the board of the Red Cross and various multinational corporations involved in current disputes in Haiti, what we know about the resources in Haiti, the history of Haiti, the fact that a govt. emergency management computer system went online the day before the quake (sort of like how FEMA went to NY the day before 9/11 for a drill), the fact that there was activity in the ionosphere that day which is evidence of the weapon being used should all be taken into consideration BEFORE TELLING US NOT TO ENTERTAIN SOMETHING THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE DETRIMENTAL TO SOCIETY IF WE DON'T INVESTIGATE.

If we don't investigate then it will be done again, and thousands more people will DIE. You don't seem to understand the consequences of ignoring this important information.

 

[jmdrake]

Ok, can we all agree that....

1) oil in Haiti could be a good thing

2) corrupt government in Haiti + corrupt international corporations could screw up what would be a good thing

3) helping the people of Haiti could be a good thing

4) if this turns into some long term occupation that would not be a good thing

5) man made earthquakes are possible

6) at this point we have no proof that the Haitian earthquake was man made

????? Seems rather simple to me. But maybe I'm just slow.

 

[kahless]

Quote:

BS

Originally Posted by kahless
The more money and business flowing into Haiti even if it is limited will still improve the standard of living. Without it these people will continue to live a hellish existence. Truly amazing people are so caught up in their hate-blame America crap they fail to recognize the good.

There is no contradiction in my quote since short term money flowing into Haiti does not mean I am saying we should setup a central bank to enslave the Haitians. That is really a stretch to make that kind of association. As for using Jesse Ventura's conspiracy theory show as a basis for your theory is laughable. I watched it and had a good laugh. Not really a documentary but it was entertaining.

Okay now I am done beating this to death and leave what is perhaps the best quote from the thread.

You know. I got a good idea. When we get our Liberty Candidate running for President, and he's finally into the debates, kicking ass and all that. Let's hope they don't ask something stupid like:

"Do you believe the earthquake in Haiti that has begun our occupation that was created by a machine so the US could control Haiti for its oil?"

LOL, Chieppa1

 

[KAYA]

What about plate tectonics? Any chance any of this could have been caused by that?

j/k Of course its much more likely that this was a manufactured earthquake as part of a designed plot by the international bankers as a way to crush and control the Haitian people, steal their oil then enslave them with debt. Duh...