Guns on a plane

[LibertyEagle]

Yeah, Dr. Paul's intent on this one didn't come across so well. I hope he clarifies it a bit more soon.

It makes me wonder if ANYONE is reviewing his speeches at all for potential points of confusion like this, before he gives them.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Yeah, I agree. Just like at Google when he visited, Paul stressed that property owners should decide what they will allow or won't allow on their property.

Thing is, most people aren't going to take the time to go through every single one of his speeches, written and vocal, to look to see if he clarifies himself better someplace else. They will make their determination off of what he said in the speech they heard.

 

[angelatc]

Yeah, Dr. Paul's intent on this one didn't come across so well. I hope he clarifies it a bit more soon.

It makes me wonder if ANYONE is reviewing his speeches at all for potential points of confusion like this, before he gives them.

I had the same thought about Social Security. If Mitt did indeed bus in the nursing home crowd, then Dr Paul's message should have focused more on properly funding the program and phasing future generations out of it. I was afraid that he was scaring the old folks.

 

[quickmike]

Even if it were true that a bullet hole through a plane window would depressurize the cabin of a 767, if you were on a plane with terrorists trying to take it over wouldnt you want to at least take the chance that the person with the gun would hit the terrorist with the shot? Or would you rather just give up and let the terrorist crash the plane and guarantee your death? Its a pretty simple choice if you think about it. A no brainer actually.

 

[DisabledVet]

I don't know if this was answered but the ammunition for airlines is called fragnable ammunition. Basically its velocity and composition is enough to penetrate a human but it disintegrates when it impacts something like the interior skin of the airplane. I fired a bunch of this stuff and it leaves just a powdery mess when your done. This kind of ammo has been around for many years.

 

[jj111]

Too bad my favorite James Bond movie Goldfinger perpetuates the myth of a bullet bringing down a plane.

 

[Kuldebar]

Too bad my favorite James Bond movie Goldfinger perpetuates the myth of a bullet bringing down a plane.

Gee, thanks a lot JJ, now we know who to blame, grrrr.

 

[Will]

While I'm a big supporter in the right to carry (have a concealed permit and carry every day), I wouldn't want a bunch of pistols on a plane. Besides the fact that some people are just plain stupid and irrisponsible, think about it, many people have too much to drink on planes. We definately dont need drunks with guns on planes.

I'm going to assume that Dr. Paul was a bit distressed over the hospitalization of his wife and, maybe he didn't really think that one through very well. Either that or he was trying to appeal to the full-fledged gun-nuts with an idea that he doesn't really believe in.

<shrug>

 

[Kuldebar]

While I'm a big supporter in the right to carry (have a concealed permit and carry every day), I wouldn't want a bunch of pistols on a plane. Besides the fact that some people are just plain stupid and irrisponsible, think about it, many people have too much to drink on planes. We definately dont need drunks with guns on planes.

I'm going to assume that Dr. Paul was a bit distressed over the hospitalization of his wife and, maybe he didn't really think that one through very well. Either that or he was trying to appeal to the full-fledged gun-nuts with an idea that he doesn't really believe in.

<shrug>

Watch the speech again, don't let the people who are irrationally afraid of guns trick you into thinking he said something he didn't say.

 

[ronpaulitician]

While I'm a big supporter in the right to carry (have a concealed permit and carry every day), I wouldn't want a bunch of pistols on a plane. Besides the fact that some people are just plain stupid and irrisponsible, think about it, many people have too much to drink on planes. We definately dont need drunks with guns on planes.

Then it would stand to reason that you would be opposed to guns being illegal in bars.

Let's see if anyone can point out to any actual drawbacks of having guns on planes before we dismiss the notion that perhaps airplanes do not require any different gun legislation than our other means of transportation.

 

[angelatc]

It comes back to rivate property rights. If the owner of the bar or the [lane doesn't want you to bring your gun, then you can't bring it.

 

[Kuldebar]

Then it would stand to reason that you would be opposed to guns being illegal in bars.

Let's see if anyone can point out to any actual drawbacks of having guns on planes before we dismiss the notion that perhaps airplanes do not require any different gun legislation than our other means of transportation.

Let's not get side tracked.

Property owners have a right to set rules of what takes place on their property. Allowing smoking, for instance.

Don't fall into the trap that results in ignoring the right of property.

If I disarm myself per your rule to visit your property, you also in turn take a certain responsibility to ensure my safety and security.

 

[ronpaulitician]

Property owners have a right to set rules of what takes place on their property. Allowing smoking, for instance.

Is it the airlines that set the no-guns policy? I thought it was federal regulation.

 

[Will]

Then it would stand to reason that you would be opposed to guns being illegal in bars.

Let's see if anyone can point out to any actual drawbacks of having guns on planes before we dismiss the notion that perhaps airplanes do not require any different gun legislation than our other means of transportation.

Well, one potentiol reason is that accidental discharge becomes more dangerous on a plane. Even highly trained and disciplined people have been known to have accidents.

lol - I remember a goofy DEA agent about a year ago that shot his foot (litterally) during a classroom discussion in front of a bunch of elementary school kids...

 

[Will]

Good greif - I'm watching the local news in Miami and just heard a reporter talking about the recent Church shooting. He said "The gunman had THREE handguns including (gasp) a SEMI AUTOMATIC handgun!". What an dork - doesn't he realize that most of the pistols sold today are semi-automatic. I'm guessing that he doesn't even know what it means...

 

[CodeMonkey]

Is it the airlines that set the no-guns policy? I thought it was federal regulation.

Currently it is federal regulation, but Dr. Paul wants to let the airlines make their own policies.

 

[Will]

Obviously I meant "potential"....

 

[Kuldebar]

Is it the airlines that set the no-guns policy? I thought it was federal regulation.

You are right, that's what the outrage is about. The feds interfered and screwed things up royally.

 

[CodeMonkey]

Well, one potentiol reason is that accidental discharge becomes more dangerous on a plane. Even highly trained and disciplined people have been known to have accidents.

lol - I remember a goofy DEA agent about a year ago that shot his foot (litterally) during a classroom discussion in front of a bunch of elementary school kids...

Why is it more dangerous on a plane? We already debunked the depressurization myth, so what is it? The close proximity of other people? Then we would have to ban guns on buses, in restaurants, clubs, etc. The DEA agent anecdote doesn't really have anything to do with it.

 

[Kuldebar]

Well, one potentiol reason is that accidental discharge becomes more dangerous on a plane. Even highly trained and disciplined people have been known to have accidents.

lol - I remember a goofy DEA agent about a year ago that shot his foot (litterally) during a classroom discussion in front of a bunch of elementary school kids...

Will, I agree.

I f I ran an air service in a free society. I'd require my passengers to check their weapons at the entry gate so their firearms could be secured for transport.

But, I'd also stipulate that I would be responsible for their security and safety during the voyage on my air service.