Government Kidnapping Seniors And Stealing Their Assets?

[moostraks]

Since the subforum is titled family, and there has been an uptick in social service abuse of authority cases, I thought it would be beneficial to remind folks of the other family members being targeted by the government, seniors. Google has made it interesting to try and research this issue as top results without the correct keywords will have you stumbling for ages to find the stories now.

As insidious as the implications of this headline are, the truth may be much worse. A startling trend is beginning to arise across the nation. Senior Citizens are being checked into hospitals for routine surgeries and are not being allowed to leave. Other seniors are being forcibly removed from their homes by adult protective agencies and institutionalized in mental hospitals. The clincher to this violation? Those same seniors are having their homes sold, their bank accounts drained and their assets liquidated to pay for it all—against their will...

These are far from isolated cases. Advocates believe there are more than 40,000 people like Fink, Brannan, and Winkleman. Critics say this system, easily set in motion, is notoriously difficult to stop. Numerous stories have emerged of State Agencies with a ruthless determination to take elders from their homes and have their belongings sold, and their family and friends shut out. This process often ignores basic individual rights and most of it plays out in secret, with hearings and files typically closed from the public.

https://shastalantern.net/2014/12/government-kidnapping-seniors-and-stealing-their-assets/

 

[euphemia]

Truly horrifying.

 

[Created4]

Since the subforum is titled family, and there has been an uptick in social service abuse of authority cases, I thought it would be beneficial to remind folks of the other family members being targeted by the government, seniors. Google has made it interesting to try and research this issue as top results without the correct keywords will have you stumbling for ages to find the stories now.

https://shastalantern.net/2014/12/government-kidnapping-seniors-and-stealing-their-assets/

Yes, those stories are out there too. Here is one that was covered in Texas last year:

Texas Hospital ‘Kidnaps’ Senior Citizen Charlie Fink

 

[donnay]

This article definitely struck a nerve for me. I have been through this type of nightmare and wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy. My father and mother were in one of the hospitals that is mentioned in the article. This hospital is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, not concerned one iota about patient's well being--this is my own experience with dealing with the doctors, nurses and administrator. They tried having me barred from there but I was persistent, knew my rights and would NOT allow them to bully me. That is how you have to deal with these people. I had to physically take my mother out, against their 'medical advice,' because if I didn't they would have killed her--they killed my father, though.

 

[Carlybee]

This article definitely struck a nerve for me. I have been through this type of nightmare and wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy. My father and mother were in one of the hospitals that is mentioned in the article. This hospital is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, not concerned one iota about patient's well being--this is my own experience with dealing with the doctors, nurses and administrator. They tried having me barred from there but I was persistent, knew my rights and would allow them to bully me. That is how you have to deal with these people. I had to physically take my mother out, against their 'medical advice,' because if I didn't they would have killed her--they killed my father, though.

You're right...many hospitals could care less about old people. They killed my mother with blatant disregard. If you're old and sick and go to the hospital there's a good chance you won't be coming home. When I had to sign the papers to remove life support I was told "Well, she had a long life". As if that made it okay for her to just go ahead and die.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Another innovative form of Asset Forfeiture.

The medical fascism will get worse.

 

[euphemia]

Moral of the story: Don't live in Texas when you retire. I can't imagine.

I hope I have transferred what little I have to our kids and grandkids by the time I reach that point.

 

[donnay]

Moral of the story: Don't live in Texas when you retire. I can't imagine.

I hope I have transferred what little I have to our kids and grandkids by the time I reach that point.

It's happening all around the country, I am afraid. If you have elderly parents you need to be vigilant for them...their very lives depend on it.

 

[euphemia]

I don't have elderly parents. I'm glad they went before they saw what our world has become. But I will be an elderly parent at some point, and those days are coming a lot quicker than I would like. Before they married, I took my son in-law to lunch and said, "You are marrying an only child. Some day I might be your responsibility. You be thinking about what that should look like and over the years we will come back and visit this topic. If the comes and I need to become part of your household, I want that to be a blessing, not a burden. Think about it."

It was a good, healthy conversation. I don't expect to make a change any time soon, but I do not want the government making those choices for me.

 

[1931]

It is a shame. This is about money as well. There was a big article in the New York Times a few months ago. An elderly woman was in a nursing home and her husband was there every day. When he disputed some bill, the state tried to take guardianship of his wife. Scary stuff. Also, seems so many elderly people are in so much "pain" and are given enough morphine to cause a peaceful departing. I have seen 7 of my elderly relatives pass this way. None were in any pain that we knew of and medical people said morphine helped breathing. I've seen different things on morphine and it doesn't help breathing.

 

[donnay]

It is a shame. This is about money as well. There was a big article in the New York Times a few months ago. An elderly woman was in a nursing home and her husband was there every day. When he disputed some bill, the state tried to take guardianship of his wife. Scary stuff. Also, seems so many elderly people are in so much "pain" and are given enough morphine to cause a peaceful departing. I have seen 7 of my elderly relatives pass this way. None were in any pain that we knew of and medical people said morphine helped breathing. I've seen different things on morphine and it doesn't help breathing.

Yes, morphine is issued all the time to elderly--even when they have adverse effects. My mother was allergic to morphine and looked like she had measles because of it. The hospital was ordered not to give her morphine and they totally disregarded the family wishes--over and over again and continued to give it to her.

For my father, they kept him sedated with anti-depressants--again, against the family's wishes. Because of this my father developed bedsores so bad because as long as he was quiet no attention was needed. The heels of his feet turned black. They neglected to move the man, it was a disgrace the treatment this man went through. He did not deserve it--NOBODY DESERVES THIS TREATMENT!

 

[1931]

I had a similar thing with my mother even before our new 'health' system. She was in no pain. They did give her some type of opiate. She was completely out of it one day and I figured they gave her something. She was even saying how weird she felt. Well, come to find out sure enough she was given it! Seems the elderly are drugged now til they are no longer with us. Frightening.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Another innovative form of Asset Forfeiture. The medical fascism will get worse.

All your body are belong to us.

 

[Carlybee]

It is a shame. This is about money as well. There was a big article in the New York Times a few months ago. An elderly woman was in a nursing home and her husband was there every day. When he disputed some bill, the state tried to take guardianship of his wife. Scary stuff. Also, seems so many elderly people are in so much "pain" and are given enough morphine to cause a peaceful departing. I have seen 7 of my elderly relatives pass this way. None were in any pain that we knew of and medical people said morphine helped breathing. I've seen different things on morphine and it doesn't help breathing.

That's what basically killed my mom..she went to the ER and they gave her so much morphine it shut down her kidneys and she went into a coma. Then they stuck a feeding tube in her and perforated her intestine causing septic shock.

 

[donnay]

That's what basically killed my mom..she went to the ER and they gave her so much morphine it shut down her kidneys and she went into a coma. Then they stuck a feeding tube in her and perforated her intestine causing septic shock.

Yes, they gave my father morphine at the beginning, because he would fight them and then he had breathing difficulty so they intubated him. They kept him intubated for (7 months) too long, so they wound up having to do an Endotracheal intubation on him. Because of the trach he could not eat solid foods, so they stuck a feeding tube in and that got infected and shortly after he died of sepsis.

 

[Terry1]

It's unfortunate that sometimes this happens to seniors, but one thing I do know is that if seniors are collecting and using Medicaid and Medicare benefits while still owning their own property, the state has a right to seize assets and estates after that person dies. In some states there's something called a "quit claim deed" that must be filed years in advance before the recipient of Medicaid dies. This prevents the states from coming in and seizing estates and assets that the taxpayers paid while they were using the Medicaid system, which are the taxpayers.

Just an FYI here for those who don't understand how the system works. States are becoming much more strict now on these quit claim deeds and extending the time limits now. In many states--this must be filed ten years in advance of the persons death--otherwise, families have no rights to the assets meant to compensate the taxpayers who paid for their healthcare through the Medicaid system.

So if you don't want the state seizing assets--don't ever use the Medicaid system which is the taxpayers of that state paying for healthcare benefits.

Another thing too--if a senior is placed in a nursing home who owns property and assets--once the persons assets and estates have been exhausted paying for nursing home care--they are then converted over to state and federal funding at that point and they become a ward of the state. Some nursing homes who support state and federal funding (which most do) will allow them to remain where they are, but if it's a private pay nursing facility--they will be moved to a nursing facility that supports state and federally funded care for these seniors.

 

[donnay]

It's unfortunate that sometimes this happens to seniors, but one thing I do know is that if seniors are collecting and using Medicaid and Medicare benefits while still owning their own property, the state has a right to seize assets and estates after that person dies. In some states there's something called a "quit claim deed" that must be filed years in advance before the recipient of Medicaid dies. This prevents the states from coming in and seizing estates and assets that the taxpayers paid while they were using the Medicaid system, which are the taxpayers.

Just an FYI here for those who don't understand how the system works. States are becoming much more strict now on these quit claim deeds and extending the time limits now. In many states--this must be filed ten years in advance of the persons death--otherwise, families have no rights to the assets meant to compensate the taxpayers who paid for their healthcare through the Medicaid system.

So if you don't want the state seizing assets--don't ever use the Medicaid system which is the taxpayers of that state paying for healthcare benefits.

Another thing too--if a senior is placed in a nursing home who owns property and assets--once the persons assets and estates have been exhausted paying for nursing home care--they are then converted over to state and federal funding at that point and they become a ward of the state. Some nursing homes who support state and federal funding (which most do) will allow them to remain where they are, but if it's a private pay nursing facility--they will be moved to a nursing facility that supports state and federally funded care for these seniors.

It's unfortunate? No it is a travesty! They work all their life and extorted from so that they can have peace of mind in their golden years-- they were told---yeah riiiight. This is done by design to take everything you have (including your life) and leave no inheritance for your family.

 

[Terry1]

It's unfortunate? No it is a travesty! They work all their life and extorted from so that they can have peace of mind in their golden years-- they were told---yeah riiiight. This is done by design to take everything you have (including your life) and leave no inheritance for your family.

This is done because this is how socialized healthcare works when people can't afford to pay for their own healthcare, which is why Ron Paul always promoted "personal responsibility" in the first place. This involves a lifetime of planning, forethought and saving for the future which has become a value that's been lost in the flurry of easy credit, entitlement programs and socialization that has replaced the values of personal responsibility. People no longer teach their children to be personally responsible, hence the new generation of socialized sycophants. It's a runaway train--no one can stop it now, all we can do is toss obstacles in it's path to slow it down.

Unfortunately because we've evolved to this level of socialization in this country, people find themselves woven into this system left with only one other alternative when they can't afford their own healthcare and that is to simply die without it. Desperate people will always take the help wherever they can get it--just because it is available to them.

 

[donnay]

This is done because this is how socialized healthcare works when people can't afford to pay for their own healthcare, which is why Ron Paul always promoted "personal responsibility" in the first place. This involves a lifetime of planning, forethought and saving for the future which has become a value that's been lost in the flurry of easy credit, entitlement programs and socialization that has replaced the values of personal responsibility. People no longer teach their children to be personally responsible, hence the new generation of socialized sycophants. It's a runaway train--no one can stop it now, all we can do is toss obstacles in it's path to slow it down.

Unfortunately because we've evolved to this level of socialization in this country, people find themselves woven into this system left with only one other alternative when they can't afford their own healthcare and that is to simply die without it. Desperate people will always take the help wherever they can get it--just because it is available to them.

My father and mother DID have regular health insurance and because of their ages they were automatically on medicare whether they liked it or not. My father saved all his life and was not a spendthrift so he could retire comfortably. That didn't work out for him well. He was the same age as Ron Paul.

Also if you look at hospital bills you can definitely see how inflated the charges are for someone on medicare and a supplemental insurance. It's definitely a huge scam.

 

[acptulsa]

Yes, progressives, your beloved socialist programs are born of a great compassion. But then they are used as an excuse for robbery, as people are forced to use the programs (because eligibility and enrollment are automatic--which means mandatory--for all citizens) and using the programs makes one automatically liable for restitution.

Whereas if people could opt out (which you, as a progressive, cannot abide because then there are no rich to rob for the gain of the poor) their private insurance would never do that to them. Because, after all, doing this completely circumvents the whole purpose of insurance. No one would buy insurance and pay their premiums every month just so the insurance company could keep your premiums in their pocket and charge you the full price in the end. More than full price, because all the paperwork this 'insurance' demanded drove the price up.

Yet you progressives continue to call this 'insurance', and deny that what it really is is organized crime and Stalinesque communist tyranny.

This is a very solid argument against every government program ever. This could be used as an answer against every last thing the progressives want government to do next.

If you oppose something as benign as health care for the elderly, you must either hate people or be crazy. Or maybe you've just looked past the sales rhetoric, and looked at the true nature of the beast. Which, I guess, is the new definition of 'insanity'...