Government Kidnapping Seniors And Stealing Their Assets?

[Terry1]

Yes, progressives, your beloved socialist programs are born of a great compassion. But then they are used as an excuse for robbery, as people are forced to use the programs (because eligibility and enrollment are automatic--which means mandatory--for all citizens) and using the programs makes one automatically liable for restitution.

Whereas if people could opt out (which you, as a progressive, cannot abide because then there are no rich to rob for the gain of the poor) their private insurance would never do that to them. Because, after all, doing this completely circumvents the whole purpose of insurance. No one would buy insurance and pay their premiums every month just so the insurance company could keep your premiums in their pocket and charge you the full price in the end. More than full price, because all the paperwork this 'insurance' demanded drove the price up.

Yet you progressives continue to call this 'insurance', and deny that what it really is is organized crime and Stalinesque communist tyranny.

This is a very solid argument against every government program ever. This could be used as an answer against every last thing the progressives want government to do next.

If you oppose something as benign as health care for the elderly, you must either hate people or be crazy. Or maybe you've just looked past the sales rhetoric, and looked at the true nature of the beast. Which, I guess, is the new definition of 'insanity'...

I think we should use some good common sense compassion and understanding here in light of the fact that if anyone has a social security number--they are automatically part of the system of government that will eventually lead them to make hard choices when life or death are involved of ourselves or loved ones. People have no other choice in this system if they want to live or their loved ones to live.

Almost everyone will end up on this system and no matter what their current beliefs or political ideologies are--they will take the help they can get because it's their only other alternative to sickness and death. Let's not pretend that any of us would allow our loved ones to suffer and die a horrible death if there's help available. This is human nature to protect and help those we love the only way we can. So we can't sit self-righteously blaming or pointing fingers at desperate people who know they have no other good choice other that to suffer and die horribly because they can't afford their own healthcare.

What we can do is become a nation of well-informed people, bring Godly values back into society and personal responsibility eliminating the need for government assistance at all. We didn't become socialized over-night--and we won't become un-socialized over-night either. Ignorance of the people is our biggest enemy here. Electing politicians that will help eliminate many of the welfare and entitlement programs that are encouraging a lazy, ignorant and government dependent people who are abusing the system by using benefits that they don't need and can work.

 

[acptulsa]

So we can't sit self-righteously blaming or pointing fingers at desperate people who know they have no other good choice other that[sic] to suffer and die horribly because they can't afford their own healthcare.

Are you accusing me of that? Because I really thought I was criticizing progressives for lyingly calling this legalized theft 'insurance'.

 

[Terry1]

Are you accusing me of that? Because I really thought I was criticizing progressives for lyingly calling this legalized theft 'insurance'.

No, I do understand what you are saying. I was merely pointing out that none of us should be critical of those who are accepting government assistance who do actually need it, such as the disabled and the elderly.

What we also have to realize is the horrible reality of this and that is that if anyone uses the taxpayers for their healthcare, the government will not allow them to keep assets after their death that they feel helps compensate and reimburse the taxpayers who helped sustain their lives with healthcare, which in reality (in theory)--should go back to the taxpayers.

 

[acptulsa]

No, I do understand what you are saying. I was merely pointing out that none of us should be critical of those who are accepting government assistance who do actually need it, such as the disabled and the elderly.

Who could criticize someone whose private insurance turns into Medicare on their 65th birthday by force of law, and against their will?

 

[Terry1]

Who could criticize someone whose private insurance turns into Medicare on their 65th birthday by force of law, and against their will?

Correct, but I was speaking mainly in terms of those using the Medicaid system, which is intertwined with Medicare. Medicaid is state funding through the taxpayer, Medicare if federally funded through the taxpayers. Medicare doesn't seize assets--only the states do that, which is what this thread is about. Now with Obamacare, the feds can actually do it as well along with those using the unemployment system for too long or Obamacare. They will seize assets and tax refund checks now along with penalizing people with fines who are out of work for any reason. The "Individual Mandate".

This is what ignorance did to this country. Now the very people who voted for Obama thinking that Obamacare was their free ticket to a life of entitlement are now beginning to see that they've peed in their own cheerios, being the very people that will suffer under this policy and practice. Ignorance of the people will put the last nail in their own coffins.

Any country is only as good as it's people--what is that saying about this country now?

 

[moostraks]

The title is correct, and properly documented. Just as children are being kidnapped by the State for simply having their parents disagree with a doctor, so too seniors are being kidnapped by hospitals when they check in for routine services, and then are not allowed to leave. That is state-sponsored kidnapping.

Not to mention the complaining about thread title being a gripe for the website it links back to as written by the author of the article. I usually do this so if folks have a problem with link they can look it up by title elsewhere and read the article in its entirety. People who gripe about said thread titles should try to click through first and read link. Then they can at least give credit where credit is due and take that issue up elsewhere...

 

[Created4]

Is this jmdrake under a sock? LOL Just curious here. Anyway--no one would be getting "kidnapped" if they weren't using state and federal benefits to begin with--do you agree? It may not be right that they are getting kidnapped--but if the state and federal government wasn't involved in their health issues in the first place--they would have never kidnapped them to begin with. Isn't that what you've been preaching in here as well?

No, it doesn't matter if they are on state or federal benefits. Watch the video posted above, or here it is again:



Adult "Protective" Services took the action to incarcerate him, just as CPS does with children. Most of the children they are kidnapping are on private insurance, and then moved to Medicaid once they become a ward of the State. This allows doctors to do drug trials without parental permission, and without insurance approval, using experimental drugs not approved by the FDA, because Medicaid picks up the bill giving them a blank check to do whatever they want.

While there is a good likelihood that most seniors are using federal funding, even if they were not, this could still happen, the same way it happens to children.

 

[Created4]

Here is another story of Adult Protective Services kidnapping a man, a young man with private insurance and not a senior, and he was incarcerated and forced to take psyche drugs. Again, they can only do this by taking custody, and switching him over to medicaid.

Medical Kidnap: It Happens to Adults Too

Bret Bohn's family wants the public to know that it is not just children who are being medically kidnapped, being used as medical research lab rats, forced to take drugs, and being kept isolated their families. They say it happened to their son, too. He was 26 years old at the time.

What began simply enough ended up in a 8 month long nightmare. Bret's mother Lorraine Phillips told Health Impact News that it was "medical torture" and a "horrific abuse of Government corruption and power."

 

[Created4]

Yes, I'm well aware of your agenda to demonize me for working with two severely disabled adults through a foster care program. I wish I knew as much about what you do, how you live and support yourself as you do me. Then we'd be on equal footing here, until then--your cracks and wise-ass remarks about what I do and how I get paid mean nothing to me.

You've been on this kick now for over a week. Expose yourself and tell us how you make your living and support yourself and who's involved in the funding of that. It's easy to take pot-shots when you have more info about me than I do you. For all I know--you could very well be collecting a government paycheck yourself while using this free lance agenda to criticize everyone else who doesn't lock-step agree with you. Until I know more about who and what you are and what pays for your lifestyle, I refuse to acknowledge any more of these implications of yours.

I had no idea you worked with disabled adults, and have never once referenced them, nor attacked you. As to my identity, I do not conceal it, and it is easy to follow the links to find out more about me.

 

[acptulsa]

Rand Paul needs to champion this issue.

A great many Baby Boomers ostensibly protested against the Vietnam War. But in the dozen wars since, they have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were not protesting the unjust war, but the draft. Seems a great many of them have no beef with anything morally outrageous unless it affects them directly.

This affects them very directly, and most of them are still blissfully ignorant about it. Rand Paul could collect the votes of them all, if he broaches this topic and says the right things about it.

 

[Created4]

Rand Paul needs to champion this issue.

A great many Baby Boomers ostensibly protested against the Vietnam War. But in the dozen wars since, they have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were not protesting the unjust war, but the draft. Seems a great many of them have no beef with anything morally outrageous unless it affects them directly.

This affects them very directly, and most of them are still blissfully ignorant about it. Rand Paul could collect the votes of them all, if he broaches this topic and says the right things about it.

Yes, I agree. We have highlighted his state of Kentucky recently and shown that the State-sponsored kidnap issue is especially corrupt in his state, and he needs to address it.

Destroying Families in Kentucky via State-sponsored Child Trafficking: United We Stand, Divided We Fall

It should also be a hot topic in the governor race. We are hearing of abuses in Kentucky every single day now.