GOP Woos Mike Pence for 2016

specsaregood said:
And I see you completely dodged my comment: that you are lying when you say he has moved left. He hasn't moved anywhere.
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No, you're the one lying. He supported voter ID laws in 2013. Now he's opposed to them because they somehow "offend black people." It's Mitt Romney all over again.
 
If Cruz would just come our way a little bit on foreign policy issues, he would be a lot better candidate than Rand. Rand is just willing to sell out completely and just say whatever he has to say to any particular group in order to get elected.
 
Traditional Conservative said:
If Cruz would just come our way a little bit on foreign policy issues, he would be a lot better candidate than Rand. Rand is just willing to sell out completely and just say whatever he has to say to any particular group in order to get elected.
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So is Cruz. Hate to burst your bubble, but that's what makes a good candidate in this day and age. Cruz can't win the general. Rand Paul can't lose the general.

As for after the campaign, there's no doubt in my mind which of the two, Paul or Cruz, will make a better president. And that's far, far more important to me than which one sounds more 'pure' during the campaign.
 
acptulsa said:
So is Cruz. Hate to burst your bubble, but that's what makes a good candidate in this day and age. Cruz can't win the general. Rand Paul can't lose the general.
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And Rand can't win the primary with his current rhetoric. You have to be somewhere in between Cruz and where Rand is now. You have to unite both conservatives and moderates. Right now Rand is actually alienating both. Moderate Republicans support voter ID laws. That's not even an issue that conservative and moderate Republicans are divided on.
 
Traditional Conservative said:
And Rand can't win the primary with his current rhetoric. You have to be somewhere in between Cruz and where Rand is now. You have to unite both conservatives and moderates. Right now Rand is actually alienating both. Moderate Republicans support voter ID laws. That's not even an issue that conservative and moderate Republicans are divided on.
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So, Rand Paul can't have a moral objection to that stuff? He can't be feeling that we're already putting too much emphasis on State RFIDs? He can't be feeling repugnance at the notion of people saying, 'Papers pliss' at the polls?

Why? Does this not fit your narrative that he'll say anything to get elected?
 
acptulsa said:
So, Rand Paul can't have a moral objection to that stuff? He can't be feeling that we're already putting too much emphasis on State RFIDs? He can't be feeling repugnance at the notion of people saying, 'Papers pliss' at the polls?

Why? Does this not fit your narrative that he'll say anything to get elected?
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He can take that position if he's actually consistent on it. But just a year ago he clearly stated that he supports voter ID laws when he spoke to a black audience, and now he's done a 180 simply because of political opportunism, simply pandering to black voters who would never vote for him anyway. I would have respect for his position if he were consistently opposed to voter ID laws, even though I would disagree with that position.
 
There is a reason I have "Traditional Conservative" on my ignore list. Must everyone quote his non-sense forcing me to see his litany of verbal diarrhea?
 
Feelgood said:
There is a reason I have "Traditional Conservative" on my ignore list. Must everyone quote his non-sense forcing me to see his litany of verbal diarrhea?
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Weird. I don't even know you or have ever spoken to you.
 
acptulsa said:
And if I said I had no problem with Japan or South Korea, but abhor communist China and North Korea, would you say I'm against communism? Or would you scream that I'm an anti-Asian racist?

Tell the truth, now.
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If you said that that the Japanese or South Koreans should not be allowed to live in their historic native lands on the soil that they paid for and was rightfully given to them by the previous owners of that land, I would say you're anti-Asian.
 
MichaelDavis said:
"Blah blah blah, I don't believe Jews should be able to live in their own country"- HOLLYWOOD
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You can PM profanity at me all day long. Ad hominen attacks do not convince anyone, either do your smears or Reductio ad Hitlerum posts.
 
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MichaelDavis said:
More anti-semitism.

Mike Pence is a good governor and was a good Congressman. If he is the nominee, I will campaign for him. He obviously isn't as good as Rand Paul, but if Paul doesn't get the nod, I would prefer Pence over a Chris Christie/Jeb Bush establishment shill.
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Where was the anti-Semitism? Take your Zionist propaganda tactics elsewhere, please.
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MichaelDavis said:
If you said that that the Japanese or South Koreans should not be allowed to live in their historic native lands on the soil that they paid for and was rightfully given to them by the previous owners of that land, I would say you're anti-Asian.
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LOL You act like this isn't a religious thing. But if it isn't, then why aren't you minding the old adage that 'charity begins at home' and down here trying to drive my white ass out of Oklahoma?
 
Anti-Neocon said:
I asked you to show where the anti-Semitism was and the best you can do is "omg you're a Nazi!". Now where's the freaking anti-Semitism?
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Are you ignorant of what zionism is? "Zionism is the national movement of Jews and Jewish culture that supports the creation of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the Land of Israel." FYI, Ron Paul is a self-described zionist. There's a difference between non-interventionism in regard to Israel and anti-semitism. Ron Paul realizes this.
 
MichaelDavis said:
Are you ignorant of what zionism is? "Zionism is the national movement of Jews and Jewish culture that supports the creation of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the Land of Israel." FYI, Ron Paul is a self-described zionist. There's a difference between non-interventionism in regard to Israel and anti-semitism. Ron Paul realizes this.
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Just because someone doesn't bow down and lick the boots of the terror state you hold so near and dear to your heart doesn't make them an anti-semite. It does, however, show that you are cut from the same cloth as AIPAC and the rest of the piece of shit endless war lobby because you're spewing their propaganda.
 
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