GOP Woos Mike Pence for 2016

[compromise]

Just go look at all the comments on Free Republic, Hot Air, Daily Caller, his Facebook page, ect, if you want to see how badly he's alienating grassroots conservatives with his recent comments. You're in complete denial if you believe that this is a winning strategy for him. And you'll just defend him no matter what he says, no matter how bad his comments are.

Those people are not electorally relevant. Their candidates - Bachmann, Cain, Tancredo, Hunter...all failures. Try writing "deport all the dirty Mexicans & other foreigners from America now, I'm done with the La Raza-MS13 infiltration of our government" in those comments. You will probably get 100 upvotes. I highly doubt very many people in the real world take that position.

Who really are the right-wing alternatives to Rand Paul? Rubio, Jindal, Perry and Walker are all well to the left of him on immigration. Pence's immigration reform's is too. No one will care in 2016 when almost every single serious candidate except Santorum (who will tack to the center on fiscal issues) will support immigration reform.

Voter ID? Rand supports it. He just made a comment that we shouldn't focus on it so much and he's right. No one will care about one small remark he made a few years back in 2016 because he's been fairly clear on multiple occasions that he's for it. Most of the grassroots are fickle and have very short memories. Those few anti-Rand hate preachers that do care aren't in enough numbers to matter.

 

[MichaelDavis]

LOL You act like this isn't a religious thing. But if it isn't, then why aren't you minding the old adage that 'charity begins at home' and down here trying to drive my white ass out of Oklahoma?

I don't even know what you're referring to. Saying Israel has no right to the land they currently (and rightfully) occupy is like saying the United States has no right to the land we took from the Native Americans. Unlike us, Israel paid for the land to the previous owners. If you don't want to be a hypocrite, you can move your own white ass out of Oklahoma.

 

[otherone]

I don't even know what you're referring to. Saying Israel has no right to the land they currently (and rightfully) occupy is like saying the United States has no right to the land we took from the Native Americans.

Israel...that's a foreign country, right?

 

[otherone]

The word "Israel" appears ZERO times in the Constitution

ANTI-SEMITES

 

[specsaregood]

I don't even know what you're referring to. Saying Israel has no right to the land they currently (and rightfully) occupy is like saying the United States has no right to the land we took from the Native Americans. Unlike us, Israel paid for the land to the previous owners. If you don't want to be a hypocrite, you can move your own white ass out of Oklahoma.

IMNSHO, nobody has any right to any land. The only right they have is the right to try to defend it and keep others from taking it.

 

[Anti-Neocon]

For what it's worth, I'm not opposed to the existence of Israel itself, but rather the actions that the nation has committed, as well as the way that our allegiance to their quasi-nationalist regime steers our policies. Israel is also a convenient excuse used by MIC profiteers to get evangelical useful idiots into supporting wars.

 

[Uriah]

I've heard some grassroots support for Pence here in Iowa. Also, many people seem to prefer candidates that have executive experience.

 

[Brett85]

If people want to criticize Israel and call them a "terrorist nation" or whatever, that's fine, but just realize it has nothing at all to do with non interventionism. There are a lot of people who are non interventionists who have no problem with Israel on a personal level. We should try to stay out of entangling alliances, but constantly criticizing a particular country isn't part of non interventionism.

 

[mosquitobite]

If people want to criticize Israel and call them a "terrorist nation" or whatever, that's fine, but just realize it has nothing at all to do with non interventionism. There are a lot of people who are non interventionists who have no problem with Israel on a personal level. We should try to stay out of entangling alliances, but constantly criticizing a particular country isn't part of non interventionism.

This is how I feel about it.

Contrary to the way some here present the evidence, there is a medium between antisemitism and zionism.

I believe Israel exists and has a right to defend itself. I have a problem with treating them like the 51st state of the USA, and supporting them with US tax dollars. We have no responsibility to protect Israel. In fact, as a Christian, I have yet to be swayed by any of the politically convenient verses thrown around as if the USA will collapse from God removing His hand from us if we don't.

That's not a small government position, but meh, that's what I've come to expect from people who want to use our corrupt government to do God's bidding instead of realizing He is in control.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I've heard some grassroots support for Pence here in Iowa. Also, many people seem to prefer candidates that have executive experience.

And back on the subject of Mike Pence, he has been preparing for this run, and his stint as Governor was part of that plan. You will notice that some pundits have been pushing the mantra that we need executive experience in candidates (Governors)? Now they have many people repeating that mantra. Conditioning.

 

[mosquitobite]

And back on the subject of Mike Pence, he has been preparing for this run, and his stint as Governor was part of that plan. You will notice that some pundits have been pushing the mantra that we need executive experience in candidates (Governors)? Now they have many people repeating that mantra. Conditioning.

Agree, but it has been common sentiment for a long time. Obama bucked the trend, but that was out of the ordinary. Back when I first got TICKED OFF at Republicans (2002/2003), Pence was on my short list of Republicans whose record actually matched their campaign rhetoric. That was also when I found Ron Paul.

Governor experience was why back in the mid 2000s I expected Sanford to be our first liberty President. Then the devil won him over.


Here's my take on Pence: I'd give him a 2.5-3 star rating at this point (out of 5). Obviously there are MUCH worse.

But he's fallen into the crony capitalism fold that the establishment wants to maintain. He also will be much more interventionist than most of us would like. I would guess him to only be a slightly better President than Bush. I do think he'd have backbone and use the veto pen more often than Bush did.

He would not be my choice, but if we play the lesser of evils dance that the establishment always makes us play (thanks sold out media!) then there are far FAR worse choices.

 

[MichaelDavis]

For what it's worth, I'm not opposed to the existence of Israel itself, but rather the actions that the nation has committed, as well as the way that our allegiance to their quasi-nationalist regime steers our policies. Israel is also a convenient excuse used by MIC profiteers to get evangelical useful idiots into supporting wars.

Then don't say you're anti-zionist. If you don't know what the term means, then don't use it.

If people want to criticize Israel and call them a "terrorist nation" or whatever, that's fine, but just realize it has nothing at all to do with non interventionism. There are a lot of people who are non interventionists who have no problem with Israel on a personal level. We should try to stay out of entangling alliances, but constantly criticizing a particular country isn't part of non interventionism.

Ding-da-da-ding-ding-ding. You are the winner of plus rep.

 

[Anti-Neocon]

Then don't say you're anti-zionist. If you don't know what the term means, then don't use it.

You, sir, are such a scumbag. You still haven't identified where the "anti-Semitism" is in anyone's post, yet you somehow have the gall to attack me for using a word as it's commonly used in the 21st century. If anyone has demonstrated not understanding the meaning of a word, it's you through your use of "anti-Semitism".

 

[enhanced_deficit]

There is far more anti-semitism towards Palestinians than Israelis in th US.. even in the post 9/11 US.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

If people want to criticize Israel and call them a "terrorist nation" or whatever, that's fine, but just realize it has nothing at all to do with non interventionism. There are a lot of people who are non interventionists who have no problem with Israel on a personal level. We should try to stay out of entangling alliances, but constantly criticizing a particular country isn't part of non interventionism.

The Hell if it doesn't... Israeli stranglehold on Washington DC and the financed foreign policy through political bribery, blackmail, or opposition to sitting politicians. These politicians coerced through those 3 Israeli methods AND to align the country's foreign polices running brutal regimes, assassinating foreign governments/politicians, overthrow nations, install oppressive dictators and of course $100s of Billions to Israel in USAID/subsidies/corp. welfare/etc. Even the CIA & FBI confirmed to the cause of 9/11 horror at the Commission hearings, all the Washington DC policy stink tanks that are mostly run by Israeli agents; Woodrow Wilson Institute, AEI, CFR, CSIS, FPI, PNAC, JINSA, Rand, Aspen Institute, etc foreign policy institutes/foundations/centers/Stink tanks. It's no secret Mike Pence has and is being groomed, just like so many before him... And guess who pays for it all in so many different ways?

Non intervention? Those Saudi Terrorists didn't run those planes into the; Kremlin, Tienanmen Square, or the Taj Mahal... they hit only 2 locations NYC/Manhattan and Washington DC. That should be the first clue...

 

[ctiger2]

Zionism is the national movement of Jews and Jewish culture that supports the creation of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the Land of Israel.

So it's for Jews only, sounds a tad racist to me.

 

[MichaelDavis]

You, sir, are such a scumbag. You still haven't identified where the "anti-Semitism" is in anyone's post, yet you somehow have the gall to attack me for using a word as it's commonly used in the 21st century. If anyone has demonstrated not understanding the meaning of a word, it's you through your use of "anti-Semitism".

If you believed that Jews should not be allowed to live in their historic native lands on the soil that they paid for and was rightfully given to them by the previous owners of that land, I would say you're anti-semitic. You, however, said that you do not believe this, which means you do not understand what zionism is.

 

[Anti-Neocon]

If you believed that Jews should not be allowed to live in their historic native lands on the soil that they paid for and was rightfully given to them by the previous owners of that land, I would say you're anti-semitic. You, however, said that you do not believe this, which means you do not understand what zionism is.

By your definition, I am anti-Semitic, even though I hold absolutely nothing against Jews.

Your definition is wrong, and slanderous, because it paints those who oppose Zionism as racist haters.

I don't believe that anyone is entitled to historic lands on the basis of their ethnic group. I also think it is the moral duty for Israel to compensate the refugees that were created through the ethnic cleansing of Zionism, but realize the best chance of achieving peace is some sort of two-state solution. At this point, what has happened has happened, and those involved need to look forward and reach a peace agreement. This is none of OUR business, do you agree?

 

[PAF]

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