GOP Strategist: Ron Paul Will Be on GOP Ticket

[nasaal]

I'd vote for it. If VP is such a nothing proposition, why are the neocon talking heads already pushing Rubio? Why are people saying Santorum/Gingrich are vying for VP?

There must be SOMETHING to it.

A Paul nomination for even VP would give the libertarian branch credibility.

There is nothing to it power wise. It is a gimmick to attack blocks of voters. Sometimes VPs are involved. Many times they are just faces. They are stuck into an office to do occasional speaking events and nothing else. In the case of RP, it would be the nothing else. I would not vote for them. It would do nthing for the cause of liberty in the long run. I could see it happening which is what bothers me.

 

[Revolution9]

Paul's negatives are just as high. I think Santorum actually has the best favoribility ratings of the 3.

Bwahahahaha! I know over a thousand people and not one of them I could ever imagine voting for this clown Santorum. Rock the Santorum sweater vest..Gimme a frikkin' break.

Rev9

 

[TheGrinch]

Vice presidents break ties in the Senate a lot more often than you might think.

And how often is a vote that goes to a tie be one that Dr. Paul would support? I guess it would have effect in him saying "no" with a bigger voice, but that's about it. But if they have a majority or "bipartisan" support, they can still get it through easily.

Here's the reality though:

1) Dr. Paul will not accept a VP position from any of these candidates. With his record of preaching agianst and voting "no" to virtually every bill that oversteps the government's bounds, it would be quite hypocritical and out of character to comprimise now, and potentially go down with everything we're fighting against.

2) This is not a Cheney/Bush situation. Cheney was not only permitted to do whatever he wanted by Buch and the corrupt powerful interests, the administration also frequently ignored Congress, UN or whoever tried to stand in their way. Obviuosly Dr. Paul is bound to ideals and the constitution, which would greatly limit him to the actual powers of a VP with checks and balances.

3) He knows jsut as well as we do that this is just a ploy for our votes, not actual change.

 

[ghent]

I seriously question the logic/sanity of anyone claiming to be a Paul supporter that wouldn't vote for him as VP...Get over yourselves.

 

[TheGrinch]

I seriously question the logic/sanity of anyone claiming to be a Paul supporter that wouldn't vote for him as VP...Get over yourselves.

Read my post above. It's not about us or Dr. Paul. It's about the movement of spreading the message of liberty, and stop them from getting taken away with big governement run amuck (not to mention wars and the economy).... It's clear that this comprimise would stand in direct contrast to those ideals, and would be very unlikely to accomplish anything substantial.

Not saying I would or wouldn't vote for him with no other viable alternatives and him on the ticket, but this isn't just about Dr. Paul, never has been. It's about fighting for liberty.

It ain't gonna happen, IMO...

 

[Wolfgang Bohringer]

Maybe they would allow him to oppose all of Romney's policies while they both campaign against Obama on the same ticket?

I can't see him accepting unless they did this--which I realize they would never do. But can you imagine if they did? It would be like a libertarian 3rd party campaign within the republican campaign.

Ron could travel around and be Romney's court prophet like in the bible when Nebuchadnezzar would call Daniel in to interpret his dreams. It would be great. Romney would recount his dreams to print money and invade the world and Ron would paint an ominous wrath of God picture about what will happen if Romney doesn't change his ways.

Those are about the only conditions under which I'd vote for a Mittler/Ron Paul ticket and hopefully they're the only conditions under which Ron would accept the offer.

 

[trey4sports]

ok lets be rational.
1. Vp is a figurehead really, but wed have a huge audience to hear our message.

2. Can you imagine a biden paul debate, holy fuck!

3. Romney knows paul is a loose cannon and would never pick him.

4. Ron knows they are far off politically so hed never accept vp.
5. Rand is a real possibility and we should be debating the merits of a rand vp selection. There is no reason for romney to choose ron over rand.

 

[Wolfgang Bohringer]

ok lets be rational.
1. Vp is a figurehead really, but wed have a huge audience to hear our message.

2. Can you imagine a biden paul debate, holy fuck!

3. Romney knows paul is a loose cannon and would never pick him.

4. Ron knows they are far off politically so hed never accept vp.
5. Rand is a real possibility and we should be debating the merits of a rand vp selection. There is no reason for romney to choose ron over rand.

That's true and I ain't voting for Romney/Rand.

 

[Wolfgang Bohringer]

Maybe if I was a national delegate and it was my only choice. But then I'd still vote and promote 3rd party in the general.

 

[jscoppe]

Just a thought:

In the earliest days of our Republic, the 2nd place finisher in the Presidential election became the VP. So there is precedent for the VP disagreeing with the President. Perhaps Paul as VP, if it ever happened, would be the first situation in a long time that the VP would actually speak out against what the President is doing. What's so wrong with having a dissenting voice to keep you grounded?

That said, the VP's main duty is to take over if the President were to be incapacitated, so anyone voting for a President should want the VP nominee to be as close as humanly possible to the Presidential candidate in policy.

 

[ProBlue33]

The only way this is even in the realm of possibilities is if this goes multiple rounds in a brokered convention, and by then the Grinch will be out, which would leave a three way delegate fight.
Mitt maybe isn't so great but he isn't stupid. Mitt will know he can't win with a Romney/Santorum ticket he would lose ALL Ron Paul supporters, the independents would be gone too.
And he could kiss the Blue Republicans goodbye too.

 

[TheGrinch]

Just a thought:

In the earliest days of our Republic, the 2nd place finisher in the Presidential election became the VP. So there is precedent for the VP disagreeing with the President. Perhaps Paul as VP, if it ever happened, would be the first situation in a long time that the VP would actually speak out against what the President is doing. What's so wrong with having a dissenting voice to keep you grounded?

That said, the VP's main duty is to take over if the President were to be incapacitated, so anyone voting for a President should want the VP nominee to be as close as humanly possible to the Presidential candidate in policy.

The early days of our republic were very different from the political and media circus we have now.

There is nothing wrong with having a check-and-balance at VP, but it is suicide in a general election as the Obama rhetoric machine kicks into full gear and the Romney/Paul campaign can't even agree on the messages they're pushing, unless one of them compromised their positions, but that too would only weaken the credibility of the message.

Yet another reason why a Paul/Romney ticket is jsut not a good idea, or one that's at all in our interest of spreading our message if he goes down with Romeny's ship, either before or after the campaign, would hurt us.

 

[cjm]

Romney may offer because he wants Paul votes, but Paul won't accept. And even if he did, I wouldn't vote for that ticket. A few will, but not many. Most will probably stay home. Some will vote Libertarian (as will I). Some will probably go Obama.

I don't see any Paul supporters going to Obama. If Romney=Obama, then the mainstream vote is essentially Obama/Biden vs Obama/Paul. I can see the staying home, write-in, and the third party choices, but I really don't see a Paul supporter voting for Obama/Biden.

There is no strategic reason I can imagine that would make Ron want to be VP.

If Ron gets an offer to be the VP slot on the ticket, it means he didn't get the nomination. If he doesn't get the nomination, he can take the message back to Texas and watch the rest of the election from there or continue spreading the message while a VP candidate. I'm not saying he'd take the slot under just anyone, but I'm sure spreading the message would be a consideration. A Paul VP candidate also makes the message mainstream enough to be considered seriously by those who have thought of it as fringe to this point. This is a good setup for future elections.

Ron Paul as an elected VP will mean that ALL tie-breaking votes in the Senate go the right way. There may not be many of those, but how many tie-breakers in the House does he decide now? It also means that Ron Paul would be one heartbeat away from the oval office for four years. And if Ron Paul ever took the VP offer, I'm sure it was because worthwhile concessions were worked out between he and the nominee.

I'm working to get Ron the GOP nomination. But if that doesn't happen, I'll take a little something over nothing. I admire the principled stand of the NOBP folks. I've taken that stand myself by voting LP at the national level since 1992. But don't mistake cooperation for compromise. If Ron accepts such a position, it's because he believes it will be a significant gain for liberty. I'm pretty jaded with all things political, but I trust Ron Paul and I will stay with him if he goes this route.

There is nothing wrong with having a check-and-balance at VP, but it is suicide in a general election as the Obama rhetoric machine kicks into full gear and the Romney/Paul campaign can't even agree on the messages they're pushing, unless one of them compromised their positions, but that too would only weaken the credibility of the message.

Ron was able to semi-endorse Nader and the other also-rans last time not because he agreed with all of their positions, but because he agreed with them where it mattered. Ron wouldn't take the VP offer unless that were also the case with Romney. If they agree on what they consider to be the core message of the ticket, it will sell.

With regard to Romney/Ron, I see that as trading a congressman for a VP. I'd take that. With regard to Romney/Rand, we're trading a sitting Senator for a VP. I don't think I would vote for that, but never say never.

Ok, time to get back to the current campaign and make the VP question moot. Ron Paul 2012!!!

 

[wgadget]

If Romney were smart, he'd take a back seat to Ron Paul and let the man, the idea, and the message have their moment to see what we can do. Movements like these are extremely rare and we are lucky to see it twice as a nation. Romney could get behind Paul and secure his future legacy and then learn from Ron Paul for the next 8 years. Then Romney could take up the GOP mantle with Rand as his VP. That would be a political powerhouse that wouldn't be stopped, and it would be good.

I like the way you think. But is Romney smart? Hmmm.

 

[TheGrinch]

Ron was able to semi-endorse Nader and the other also-rans last time not because he agreed with all of their positions, but because he agreed with them where it mattered. Ron wouldn't take the VP offer unless that were also the case with Romney. If they agree on what they consider to be the core message of the ticket, it will sell.

With regard to Romney/Ron, I see that as trading a congressman for a VP. I'd take that. With regard to Romney/Rand, we're trading a sitting Senator for a VP. I don't think I would vote for that, but never say never.

Ok, time to get back to the current campaign and make the VP question moot. Ron Paul 2012!!!

You really think him endorsing Nador is the same as getting on baord with Romney?

Paul and Nader were able to put aside their differences because they both stood against similar important issues like liberty (NDAA< Patroit Act, etc.), foreign policy, and both agaisnt the corrupt two-party system. They had common goals was why they became bed-fellows.

Romney on the other hand, even in his rhetoric is in stark contrast to Paul on every single one of his important ideals.

So yes. if Paul accepted the VP slot, I'd have a hard time not trusting his judgement, but I just don't think there's anyway it's going to happen, unless he has clear indication that he can help the liberty movement more than he hurts it by "cooperating" with the establishment that only want to undermine his small-government ideals (extremely unlikely IMO).

 

[No Free Beer]

I cannot believe how many people on here are falling for this scheme.

Romney would be just using all of you for the votes and would shut out Paul of any and every importance within the White House.

I am so disappointed with what I am seeing...

What happened to "No One But Paul"?

 

[69360]

I cannot believe how many people on here are falling for this scheme.

Romney would be just using all of you for the votes and would shut out Paul of any and every importance within the White House.

I am so disappointed with what I am seeing...

What happened to "No One But Paul"?

Not everyone is on board with that. I'd vote for Johnson or Roemer if they were on the ballot and Paul wasn't.

If Romney was willing to compromise in policy, I might listen. He'd have to be willing to pull out of Afghanistan immediately, no more undeclared wars, open relations/end sanctions on Iran and Cuba and full transparent audit of the fed before I'd consider voting for him.

 

[F3d]

Hello People! VP is a rather insignificant position.

 

[Sarge]

843 hard core committed delegates for Ron Paul and none of the rest are likely to go anywhere.

I will not vote for Romney in any shape, form, manner with Ron VP or not. Remember the promises the Huck people made and then didn't keep last campaign. ie you help us win and then we will help you win the next state balony.

Remember the Maine. I can't believe Ron didn't head straight there from MN. He could have had two days to get more people to caucus there. I am not happy about that at all.

 

[Paulistinian]

"My country has in its wisdom contrived for me the most insignificant office that ever the invention of man contrived or his imagination conceived." -John Adams

Having said that, imagine Dr. No as Vice President No with a divided Senate. They would never pass anything! Imagine if Dr. Paul ran a Cheney-Vice Presidency and voted on everything instead of just during tie-breakers. I can see the benefit to a Paul Vice Presidency even thou many of you here can not.