GOP Strategist: Ron Paul Will Be on GOP Ticket
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If it comes down to being Romney's VP, I would much rather have that then no Ron Paul at all. The bad thing about Romney is he flip flops. The good thing about Romney is he flip flops. It depends what side you are on. If Ron Paul was VP, it may not be very hard for him to convince Romney to change his mind on a few things. Romney has already been parroting him on a few things.
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I think this is what everyone wants, however I could see Santorum and Grinch joining forces and getting enough to win.
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Ron Paul would not be sidelined as VP as others have, and Romney would have to know that and be prepared to accept that fact.
The VP can't be fired because he is elected.
He could do pretty much whatever he wanted, he would be a rogue VP.
Not so much power as a strong voice that media would lap up as it would cause drama within that adminstration.
The VP can't be fired because he is elected.
He could do pretty much whatever he wanted, he would be a rogue VP.
Not so much power as a strong voice that media would lap up as it would cause drama within that adminstration.
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If someone else compares Dr. Paul's role to what Cheney did as vice president, I think I'm going to lose it!!
I'm not sure if Cheney "voting on everything" is factual or not, but just because Cheney abused his power and pissed on the constitution, does not mean that we should be hoping for Dr. Paul to accomplish his goals by doing the same. It would be the height of hypocrisy for him to assume these same unrelegated powers he's trying to roll back from the federal government.
According to my understanding of the constitution, the VP is only supposed to vote to break a tie, so I don't give a damn what Cheney did. Dr. Paul is better than that.
There's cooperating and playing the game and then there's selling out, and we ain't no sell-outs. The message is more important than the power of office.
As long as there are at least 843 Ron Delegates that will not budge, none of the others can get enough delegates to win. 1445 needed to win. So a Newt team up Rick will not make it. Newt and Rick also are not on some of the state ballots like VA.
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Ron pretty much says what he believes. If he says that they agree enough on issues that they can be on the same ticket (either Paul/Romney or Romney/Paul), that's good enough for me.
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I'd prefer a Romney / Paul ticket a million times over an Obama / Biden ticket
I'd support it and vote for that ticker. It might be all we can get. Its better than nothing.
Its much better than going third party, having Obama win again, and then Ron going to retire back to Texas.
I'd support it and vote for that ticker. It might be all we can get. Its better than nothing.
Its much better than going third party, having Obama win again, and then Ron going to retire back to Texas.
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But they can still get the delegates in VA.
Preference poll does not = delegates. It just ='s first round vote.
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Where are you getting 1445? Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Republican_National_Convention) says 1144
I would agree but I just can't trust anything he, or any of the others says. Only pandering to us for votes...
No one but Paul. IMO a Paul/Paul ticket would be crazy awesome just not practical.
Exactly. I'm not falling for it. NOBP.
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Short of RP winning the nomination, a VP role is the next best outcome. I would vote for him as VP and I would guess a large number of RP supporters would as well. It would be great for the movement, and legitimize many of his stances. Mitt changes his mind already, he would be the most open to making decisions in line with RP. And remember not all of RPs supporters are with him on every single issue. The NOBP meme is counterproductive.
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we should be debating the merits of Rand being VP because Romney wont pick Ron as VP.
You're seeing the end result of it. By placing the man above his principles, people start compromising those principles, just to get their man into a token position. I'm not "No One But Paul," I'm "Nothing But Liberty".
Also, no main stream Republican would make this offer to Paul for the opposite of the reason why Obama made the offer to Biden.
a couple thoughts:
Ron as VP would be ridiculed by the media mercilessly, much like Quayle and Biden were.
The Establishment has been floating this idea for months to get us to warm to Romney as prez.
Romney in 2012 means Rand couldn't run till at least 2020, but by then, we'd likely get a Dem, so more likely, 2024 or 2028.
Many hard core supporters care about ending the wars. If Ron is not Commander in Chief, he can not 'just bring them home'. We could very well invade Iran and watch WWIII unfold if Ron was 'only' VP.
Romney is such an excellent flip flopper, a complete blank slate that everyone can pin their hopes to, that even some hear seem to believe he's 'coming closer to Ron Paul's views'. C'mon.
I'm not here to see Ron Paul get to be the deciding vote here or there.
Any promises made to Ron, or the electorate, can be broken after inauguration. Obviously.
this thread makes babies cry.
It's going to get ugly at a brokered convention. They know we've been planning on this being a possibility for 4 years, and now the Establishment also seems to be working towards it (4 way race). They have a plan too. We just need to be better at implementing ours.
Ron as VP would be ridiculed by the media mercilessly, much like Quayle and Biden were.
The Establishment has been floating this idea for months to get us to warm to Romney as prez.
Romney in 2012 means Rand couldn't run till at least 2020, but by then, we'd likely get a Dem, so more likely, 2024 or 2028.
Many hard core supporters care about ending the wars. If Ron is not Commander in Chief, he can not 'just bring them home'. We could very well invade Iran and watch WWIII unfold if Ron was 'only' VP.
Romney is such an excellent flip flopper, a complete blank slate that everyone can pin their hopes to, that even some hear seem to believe he's 'coming closer to Ron Paul's views'. C'mon.
I'm not here to see Ron Paul get to be the deciding vote here or there.
Any promises made to Ron, or the electorate, can be broken after inauguration. Obviously.
this thread makes babies cry.
It's going to get ugly at a brokered convention. They know we've been planning on this being a possibility for 4 years, and now the Establishment also seems to be working towards it (4 way race). They have a plan too. We just need to be better at implementing ours.
Just throwing out some random thoughts on this issue. My mind is not made up but it's an intriguing topic at least.
Remember that Ron has already committed to retiring from Congress. People are actively campaigning for the TX14 seat. If we lose this election, Ron returns to private life and we lose one of the biggest defenders of liberty from being in the public eye. No Bernanke grilling sessions, no floor speeches, etc. Yeah I know it's not about the man but he is the best messenger we've had. Thinking about it like that, a VP slot at least lets this messenger stay in the public eye for another 4 years and then he can bow out with class after the first term and maybe Rand could slide into the VP spot and work toward a 2020 campaign? Rand is good but he's not Ron and like it or not, Ron is the messenger that gains so much credibility because he's a purist and has such a squeaky clean background. I could see it working if the GOP decides it wants to keep some sort of relevence in future elections.
Remember that Ron has already committed to retiring from Congress. People are actively campaigning for the TX14 seat. If we lose this election, Ron returns to private life and we lose one of the biggest defenders of liberty from being in the public eye. No Bernanke grilling sessions, no floor speeches, etc. Yeah I know it's not about the man but he is the best messenger we've had. Thinking about it like that, a VP slot at least lets this messenger stay in the public eye for another 4 years and then he can bow out with class after the first term and maybe Rand could slide into the VP spot and work toward a 2020 campaign? Rand is good but he's not Ron and like it or not, Ron is the messenger that gains so much credibility because he's a purist and has such a squeaky clean background. I could see it working if the GOP decides it wants to keep some sort of relevence in future elections.
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This is what should happen given the on the ground facts that it will be Ron and Mitt at the convention vying for top spot. Ron assures victory against Obama with Romney mopping up the other non RP contingent, the repugs whine they can't have their old ways but accept the new paradigm because it can take out Obama and then Romney gets to hotdog it for eight years to learn the ropes from a man that his father would have admired, if I am to judge from his 1972 interview where he called out the MIC..almost unheard of at that time. So I would presume Romney has some legacy from his father on the calling propaganda what it is and recognizing the reason for subterfuge. So after hotdogging it learning from Ron, the economy rip roaring with more jobs than workers, Ron steps down after two terms to giant accolades. Romney, now fully versed in the principles and philosophy that will allow him as you or I to make a proper decision even about hypotheticals so liberty is not violated and the Constitution obeyed as law of the land, will step into the mantle. Rand will be the VP and then 8 years later the POTUS. In the meantime the dems will try to retool but every bogeyman gambit they usually pull out of their lower fundament will fail miserably due to dick on a stick to latch it onto.
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