GOP Strategist: Ron Paul Will Be on GOP Ticket

Maltheus said:
You're seeing the end result of it. By placing the man above his principles, people start compromising those principles, just to get their man into a token position.
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So if Ron decided to take a VP offer, your assumption is that he's acting against his own principles. I don't see any precedent in his record to support that assumption. I'm not saying the NOBPers or Nothing But Liberty-ers should automatically jump on board. But if it happens, just ask yourself why would Ron do that? Try to understand why a guy who's been promoting liberty for 30 years would suddenly sell out. If your conclusion is that he sold out, vote accordingly. But if you're serious about promoting liberty, keep an open mind. I won't follow him blindly, but given his track record, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on any decisions he makes.
 
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wgadget said:
I like the way you think. But is Romney smart? Hmmm.
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more importantly, does he want to pass on a legacy to his sons that consists of more than just financial assets. He has a chance to go down in the history of the world as being the man that transformed America FOR REAL.

Is he that smart? Maybe not, but I am sure his motives go beyond riches because he has that already.
 
Revolution9 said:
This is what should happen given the on the ground facts that it will be Ron and Mitt at the convention vying for top spot. Ron assures victory against Obama with Romney mopping up the other non RP contingent, the repugs whine they can't have their old ways but accept the new paradigm because it can take out Obama and then Romney gets to hotdog it for eight years to learn the ropes from a man that his father would have admired, if I am to judge from his 1972 interview where he called out the MIC..almost unheard of at that time. So I would presume Romney has some legacy from his father on the calling propaganda what it is and recognizing the reason for subterfuge. So after hotdogging it learning from Ron, the economy rip roaring with more jobs than workers, Ron steps down after two terms to giant accolades. Romney, now fully versed in the principles and philosophy that will allow him as you or I to make a proper decision even about hypotheticals so liberty is not violated and the Constitution obeyed as law of the land, will step into the mantle. Rand will be the VP and then 8 years later the POTUS. In the meantime the dems will try to retool but every bogeyman gambit they usually pull out of their lower fundament will fail miserably due to dick on a stick to latch it onto.

Rev9
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that's exactly what I am talking about. Romney can lose the gimmick appeal that he has and go for something real and tangible. He wouldn't be playing second fiddle because he will pretty much guarantee himself the presidency after 8 years of Ron Paul with Rand Paul on his ticket. Hell I could even see Rand Paul running as VP with one of Romney's sons as VP thus continuing the legacy.

Romney would be 72 after 8 years of Ron Paul. Hell I could even see Ron Paul willingly be a one term president and pass the torch to Mitt/Rand earlier where Romney will be just 68. That is if health becomes an issue for either of them.
 
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The only thing that stops me from completing shutting Romney out is the fact that his father was ostracized for foreign policy beliefs after saying he was "brainwashed" into supporting the Vietnam war. My guess is Romney has a Bush 43 thing going on where he silently vowed to avenge what they did to his father, and does not dare look weak on foreign policy.
 
newbitech said:
that's exactly what I am talking about. Romney can lose the gimmick appeal that he has and go for something real and tangible. He wouldn't be playing second fiddle because he will pretty much guarantee himself the presidency after 8 years of Ron Paul with Rand Paul on his ticket. Hell I could even see Rand Paul running as VP with one of Romney's sons as VP thus continuing the legacy.

Romney would be 72 after 8 years of Ron Paul. Hell I could even see Ron Paul willingly be a one term president and pass the torch to Mitt/Rand earlier where Romney will be just 68. That is if health becomes an issue for either of them.
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I don't see that as a good thing though. Presidents have the power. Romney is not someone I want to see with power any more than Obama.
 
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newbitech said:
that's exactly what I am talking about. Romney can lose the gimmick appeal that he has and go for something real and tangible. He wouldn't be playing second fiddle because he will pretty much guarantee himself the presidency after 8 years of Ron Paul with Rand Paul on his ticket. Hell I could even see Rand Paul running as VP with one of Romney's sons as VP thus continuing the legacy.

Romney would be 72 after 8 years of Ron Paul. Hell I could even see Ron Paul willingly be a one term president and pass the torch to Mitt/Rand earlier where Romney will be just 68. That is if health becomes an issue for either of them.
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Wow. You're setting yourself up for some soul crushing heartache, I assure you.
 
cjm said:
So if Ron decided to take a VP offer, your assumption is that he's acting against his own principles. I don't see any precedent in his record to support that assumption. I'm not saying the NOBPers or Nothing But Liberty-ers should automatically jump on board. But if it happens, just ask yourself why would Ron do that? Try to understand why a guy who's been promoting liberty for 30 years would suddenly sell out. If your conclusion is that he sold out, vote accordingly. But if you're serious about promoting liberty, keep an open mind. I won't follow him blindly, but given his track record, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on any decisions he makes.
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I can't imagine Ron doing that. It's only some of his newer supporters that are calling for it. But yes. If he did take a VP offer, then I'd consider him a sell out. VPs have no real power in this country and libertarianism would (wrongly) be associated with all the horrible things that Mitt would do.
 
nasaal said:
I don't see that as a good thing though. Presidents have the power. Romney is not someone I want to see with power any more than Obama.
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I think 8 years of Ron Paul at the helm will change your mind about the power of the office.
 
Let me give some fresh perspective on the issue of Ron being the VP choice for Romney. I believe it could happen. When it comes down to the convention, the delegates could be split up in a way where neither Mitt, Ron, Rick or Newt have enough delegates to become the nominee. Given Ron Paul's recent national growth, I can see a lot of good things happening in the future. This thing could very well be a hard fought convention battle. Newt wants to be the nominee or VP. If Mitt won't give that to him, Newt will not concede his delegate/vote support. I don't believe Mitt will want Newt on his ballot since Newt is not a good balance to his ticket and Newts positive view score nationally isn't great. The same thing will happen with Rick. However, I don't think Rick will be a good VP; nor will Mitt want Rick as a VP. The only logical choice is Ron Paul. If he can get Ron Paul's support, he can get the delegates needed to become to nominee. It might even come down between Newt and Rick teaming up to use their delegates to suppress Mitt. Rick and Newt are a lot alike. A Mitt and Ron coalition will be needed. When it comes down to Mitt being a flip flop, I think Mitts issue is that he is a populist. He votes for what the people want. If his constituents want a individual mandate, he will support it. His convictions are rested in business economics. Given that, it won't be that difficult to get many concessions from Mitt to support our agenda.

The reality is that Ron Paul has independent support.
 
Dr Paul would never accept being the veep for a President who had his campaign funded by Goldman Sachs.

He's not going to spend his life extolling principals, then throw them all away for the opportunity to be the vice president of some warmongering, bankster loving stuffed shirt.

Some of you people need to get a clue.
 
this is getting downright silly. Sci-fi level silly.

Romney wouldn't ever pick Ron as VP. I highly doubt Ron would accept. I'm less sure of ron accepting, but there isn't a doubt in my mind that Mitt wouldn't dare pick Ron. Rand, however, is a different story.
 
Just so everyone knows, VP is a really inconsequential position within our government. It is usually where the top of the ticket candidate puts someone he really doesn't like, someone he doesn't want to have to deal with but who he needs to garner suppport that he couldn't otherwise get. If the VP pick helps succeed, then they get the job, but no real say in how the administration runs. Putting Ron Paul there would not be the best thing for the movement, as there is really no power there except the power the Pres decides to delegate to him. So if it were to be Pres Romney with VP Paul, then Romney would only delegate to Paul things that he doesn't care about. I guarantee he wouldn't give RP any power over anything to do with monetary policy, since that would screw Romney and his friends over if Paul could reform it the way Paul wants to.

Moral of the story: I think this is fantasy, but if it were to play out, RP being the VP would not be helpful to our cause in any real sense, other than some PR stories. It won't bring about the changes we all want.
 
Romney/Paul? Ain't happening anywhere on my ballot. Dr. Paul would have to compromise his longstanding principles to accept such an offer and if he did that he would lose my hard won respect and my vote. I don't believe he would even consider the offer ...

NOBP
 
Paul might say to Romney, "Hey junior, I don't have as long as you. You be my VP and will both be on the ticket. Then when I've cleaned this mess up in 4 years you can take over as long as you promise not to muck it up."

However, if he did take the VP spot, at least he'd have an audience with the President and win some of the battles. It'd be a great start and he WOULD have influence over THE PRESIDENT. That's one way to look at it.
 
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Some of you guys are really living in LALA land. You wouldn't vote for Ron Paul as VP or want him there?

Do you mean to tell me that a person who is a FORMER Congressman is going to have more of an impact on national politics than the Vice President? He could easily persuade Romney to scale back our foreign alliances and military bases, as well as shutting down the Federal Reserve.

Let's be real here for a moment. Ron Paul as a VP would be much better than him not being on the ticket at all. Back in 2007 and '08 there wasn't a shot in hell of him getting close to being nominated for VP, let alone the Presidency. We should be happy to have some opportunity to spread the message of freedom and if the opportunity for VP comes up, he needs to take it.

I want him to be President just as much as anyone else on here, but we need to think in real terms. If we have an opportunity to get in to the White House as VP, we need to take it.
 
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