god or no god?


This is proof that I spoke the truth in regards to your parroting. It is not ad hominem but a fact of your posting history. Any reader can peruse it and see I am correct. You get no respect from me for your intellect till I see entire threads in your own words without resorting to appeals to authority, which I do not take seriously. They are someone else's opinions.

Rev9
 
Dude, nobody is perfect, not even Ron Paul. And in this regard he IS totally retarded. Rights don't come from anywhere, they don't need to, they just ARE because we decided they are, that's all. If we had god given rights, no one would be able to take them away, yet that happens all the time. Get real :p

Does the crow remain quiet when it is driven to caw? Does the squirrel ignore it's established domain boundaries when burying nuts for future retrieval? Does the fish or bird not breathe? Does the Bower Bird not build and maintain a killer bachelor pad to entice the females? These are all rights built into the system of forces and forms we call life of which, we remain in this body an inherent part of. These rights are negative rights in that you need to express and exercise them for them to exist. But the fact remains. These behaviors as expressions of inherent rights exist across the entire gamut of life.

HTH
Rev9
 
This is proof that I spoke the truth in regards to your parroting. It is not ad hominem but a fact of your posting history. Any reader can peruse it and see I am correct. You get no respect from me for your intellect till I see entire threads in your own words without resorting to appeals to authority, which I do not take seriously. They are someone else's opinions.

Rev9

In regards to Pascals wager that was posted, the response of 'False dilemma' fallacy is all that was needed. The video is merely extra.

Your response was an attack on my character; you did not address the argument about false dilemma at all. I point out you've attacked me, you go and do it again.

*Yawn* Your immaturity is comical. Yaaaarrrrrr meeeee hartyyyyy's
 
In regards to Pascals wager that was posted, the response of 'False dilemma' fallacy is all that was needed. The video is merely extra.

Your response was an attack on my character; you did not address the argument about false dilemma at all. I point out you've attacked me, you go and do it again.

*Yawn* Your immaturity is comical. Yaaaarrrrrr meeeee hartyyyyy's

Well.. At least this post is your own opinion. I will give that to you.

BTW..In your other anarcho-blippitty-statist-everyone is violent except us-label spewing threads where you continually post someone else's writings or video and then want to start a whole brouhaha with more continual appeals to authority..If you were to actually post your own formulations I would engage you intellectually and coherently. As it is I have no reason to wish to banter with some antique writer or fringe author through you as a proxy. Yer not as brilliant as you attempt to make yourself out to be. You seem simply fascinated by the verbiage and sloganeering of the authors you choose to parrot and do not have inherently deep self organised opinions on the subjects you like to broach continuously on these boards. If you do, then why not post those without interspersing links and quotes from various authors. Are you afraid that your opinion holds no weight?


Rev9
 
Are you afraid that your opinion holds no weight?

I'm "afraid" of wasting my time explaining things to individuals who wouldn't get it, or are not intellectually honest enough to engage in a conversation and be open to reason.
I'm knowledgeable & well read enough to know of the exact resources that address their error.
I'm humble enough to acknowledge when others have already made the point I agree with, that which I could not improve.

So... why re-write what has already been done? Why waste my time?

If the individual was worth it, I'd try tailor the message. You're clearly not. The arrogance you display is more than enough to make it clear, yaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrr hear? With your continual attacks on me personally... you obviously have no interest in an honest exchange. Not that I'd ever expect that to change.

This whole exercise was.... a waste of my time. Congrats.
 
Does the crow remain quiet when it is driven to caw? Does the squirrel ignore it's established domain boundaries when burying nuts for future retrieval? Does the fish or bird not breathe? Does the Bower Bird not build and maintain a killer bachelor pad to entice the females? These are all rights built into the system of forces and forms we call life of which, we remain in this body an inherent part of. These rights are negative rights in that you need to express and exercise them for them to exist. But the fact remains. These behaviors as expressions of inherent rights exist across the entire gamut of life.

HTH
Rev9

Umm suuure, if you say so :p
 
Umm suuure, if you say so :p

Yup. Except as word driven construct creators we get all anal about it and make documents and edifices to house said documents so that we are reminded when we forget or wish to ignore for service to self reasons. Hence to follow the nature analogy above...freedom of speech...private property and land use and improvement rights...the right to carry out the internal processes of nature without a tax or license...The right to mate and reproduce...Whether you fail or not at any of these is due to your exercising of free will.

Rev9
 
Dude, nobody is perfect, not even Ron Paul. And in this regard he IS totally retarded. Rights don't come from anywhere, they don't need to, they just ARE because we decided they are, that's all. If we had god given rights, no one would be able to take them away, yet that happens all the time. Get real :p

Does the crow remain quiet when it is driven to caw? Does the squirrel ignore it's established domain boundaries when burying nuts for future retrieval? Does the fish or bird not breathe? Does the Bower Bird not build and maintain a killer bachelor pad to entice the females? These are all rights built into the system of forces and forms we call life of which, we remain in this body an inherent part of. These rights are negative rights in that you need to express and exercise them for them to exist. But the fact remains. These behaviors as expressions of inherent rights exist across the entire gamut of life.

HTH
Rev9

CasualApathy, I was going to answer you, but I see Rev9 said exactly what I would have said. What makes inalienable rights inalienable is the fact that they are ingrained in our human soul. And that ingrained instinct will eventually come out no matter how much it is externally repressed. It is the seed of rEVOLution.
 
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I was speaking of a non-zero probability, in order to distinguish between the highly improbable and the logicallly impossible. For example, it is highly improbable that an asteroid from outer space will land on my head while I'm typing, but it's not logically impossible.

I was trying to understand if jmdrake was equating the highly improbable likelihood of someone choosing to commit sin in heaven, with the impossibility of them choosing to sin. They may be "practically" the same, but they are not logically equivalent.

Fine. Call it "highly improbable" then. What's gotten missed in this conversation is how the 20/20 hindsight changes the equation between pre-sin unfallen beings and post sin redeemed beings.
 
CasualApathy, I was going to answer you, but I see Rev9 said exactly what I would have said. What makes inalienable rights inalienable is the fact that they are ingrained in our human soul. And that ingrained instinct will eventually come out no matter how much it is externally repressed. It is the seed of rEVOLution.

that explains why every country in the world recognizes them at every point in history, right?

It's just so obvious that we can do it without any Bible or Constitution, isn't it? Ingrained in our human soul. That explains why humans have a higher rate of murdering their peers than any other animals, right?
 
that explains why every country in the world recognizes them at every point in history, right?

It's just so obvious that we can do it without any Bible or Constitution, isn't it? Ingrained in our human soul. That explains why humans have a higher rate of murdering their peers than any other animals, right?

Unfortunately five to seven percent of the human population are psychopaths..pure service to self entities and possibly simply organic portals under possession. They will to power to cover their tracks, take over normal societies and ponerize them (turn them towards evil) get discovered and booted and then show up elsewhere. Perhaps they are a trojan from the powers and principalities that The Bible's New Testament warned of as well as Don Juan, the Yaqui Sorcerer of Carlos Castaneda's studies who named them The Enemy or The Gnostics who named them The Archons.

As well, I will again suggest that these types of crime are due to the remnant of the Satanic Rebellion expressing itself.

In regards to the debate about sin in Heaven. If Heaven is the higher dimension we fell from by descending into a 3D Materium Timeline, then in that higher vibrational state there is no sin for those carry out the plan of The Creation in complete harmony and in accordance with their original soul patterning. Sin is error due to being within a stand alone Matter Substance time line condition for consciousnesses outside of normal inter-dimensional practices. The purpose of this misanthropic creation was to expand Self Will expression for the benefits of self, called a 'Service to Self' vibration, rather than for the proper Free Will expression of love and service to the Creation for the Creators.

Rev9
 
unfortunately 5-7% of humans are not real humans? or don't have rights? or are accidents of God's creation?

Unfortunately, as far as having empathy and experiencing internally emotionally what humans feel this a scientifically proven fact. I offer this quote from a groundbreaking study of political psychopathy, monikered ponerology, or the science of the study of evil.

“Experience has taught the author that evil is similar to disease in nature, although possibly more complex and elusive to our understanding. Its genesis reveals many factors, pathological, especially psychopathological, in character, whose essence medicine and psychology have already studied… [A] comprehension of the essence and genesis of evil generally makes use of data from [biology, medicine, and psychology]. Philosophical reflection alone is insufficient.” (Lobaczewski, 98)

Like a color blind man incapable of distinguishing red from green, a small minority of the human population cannot experience or fully comprehend the normal range of human emotions. And like those color blind who may conceal their condition by using the correct words while not understanding their meaning (e.g., the top traffic light is “red”, the bottom is “green”) - so does this minority conceal their condition by playacting an emotion's exterior signs (facial expressions, exclamations, body language). However, they do not actually experience the emotion in question. Their deception is revealed in the laboratory, where they respond to words like DEATH, CANCER, DISEASE, as if they were DAY, CREAM, or PAPER. They lack the ability to comprehend the emotional “punch” that certain words contain. They use others’ emotional reactions as cues, and they adjust their behavior to portray the correct ‘emotional’ behavior. (Hare, 129-30)

more can be found at this link...,
http://ponerology.com/psychopaths_1.html
adjuncts and commentary to understand this dilemma can be googled if you wish more information.

HTH
Rev9
 
Unfortunately five to seven percent of the human population are psychopaths..

So, bloody, what? All the more reason to not have a government. One group in society gets a monopoly on violence and ultimate decision making.. GEE, I WONDER WHERE THE PSYCHOPATHS WILL END UP?

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So, bloody, what? All the more reason to not have a government. One group in society gets a monopoly on violence and ultimate decision making.. GEE, I WONDER WHERE THE PSYCHOPATHS WILL END UP?

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Yer always throwing the baby out with the bathwater, facecloth and tub. I suspect the psychopaths will run rampant as they will have no checks or deadstops to inhibit their natural behavior. It will be whatever individual up against one or more of them. They seem to like hanging together and can spot one another amongst a crowd. Basically you become a fridge door and they will use an axe or bullet or crowbar to get to the food in the fridge. Welcome to the world you want Conza. It ain't a pretty place. What we need to do is recognise the hallmarks and not allow these individuals to attain positions of service they can manipulate into power and control positions...which is essentially what you are barking about...but up the wrong bloody tree. They can be defeated by community effort.


Rev9
 
So, bloody, what? All the more reason to not have a government. One group in society gets a monopoly on violence and ultimate decision making.. GEE, I WONDER WHERE THE PSYCHOPATHS WILL END UP?

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so Los Mata Zetas is living up to your expectations, no government, just force.

Let me ask you, what is more important, no government or non-aggression principle?
 
Unfortunately, as far as having empathy and experiencing internally emotionally what humans feel this a scientifically proven fact. I offer this quote from a groundbreaking study of political psychopathy, monikered ponerology, or the science of the study of evil.



more can be found at this link...,
http://ponerology.com/psychopaths_1.html
adjuncts and commentary to understand this dilemma can be googled if you wish more information.

HTH
Rev9

doesn't answer my question, do the 5-7% psychopaths have rights? What do we do with them?

Do they invalidate the belief that rights are ingrained and inalienable?
 
doesn't answer my question, do the 5-7% psychopaths have rights? What do we do with them?

Do they invalidate the belief that rights are ingrained and inalienable?

They are alive apparently so they have rights. They just do not understand that others have those same rights. People in countries with Monarchies for example were very concerned with the next Queen having the hemophiliac gene. So they attempted to assure that those attending to duties of the throne, as they were, were in good health and able to carry out whatever duties their office held sacred or dear. We would not want a hemophiliac President neither. A paper cut is a major emergency. The same with psychopaths, whether acquired through brain damage or psychological environment or via genetics. You do not kill or cull them. You just do not allow them once detected or suspected to get in positions where they can exercise the expression of their psychopathy on society or innocents. However..folks will still have to deal with them and the trail of damaged lives they leave behind on a personal level. The problem is when they get in positions of control over societies and ponerize ordinary people into doing their bidding via political or military/police spheres of influence or in writing like Marx and Engels. The trick is we have now identified it, have codified it and it is under study scientifically. We are getting close to the ability to put an end to the use of evil for political purposes simply because we can now identify its characteristics, effects and possible remedies..


Rev9
 
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