Glenn Beck: I'm Done With Establishment Republicans, I Support Constitutonalists Like Rand

[A Son of Liberty]

I think it's illogical to be purely interventionist or purely noninterventionist without the facts at hand. Granted, I'm cut from the noninterventionist mold but I would never paint myself into such an isolated corner that my enemies could exploit.

Ron has always spoken on behalf of a strong national defense. I don't think it's at all illogical to hold a noninterventionist position, and it is certainly the moral position.

 

[roho76]

A public apology to Debra Medina live on FOX News with a matching front page article on The Blaze would be a start. Until that moment, he's a snake and can't be trusted.

 

[Brett85]

I'm with you. I CAN-NOT sanction that. I'm sorry if that makes me a purist. I'll have enough to answer for when my time comes to stand before the Almighty, but I won't be answering for the sanctioning of non-defensive violence.

Whether you support helping out our allies overseas when they get attacked or not, helping out another country that's been attacked is not an example of an "offensive war."

 

[Article V]

"Libertarian" is a blanket term to describe several factions. One of which are libertarian Republicans, or libertarian-conservatives (choose your label they are interchangeable). That is what Rand, Amash, Massie, Labrador, Yoho, Cruz and others are. Ron is probably best described at a "paleolibertarian".

Add to the general "Libertarian" umbrella and you have left-libertarians, agorists, an-caps, neo-libertarians, and other groups. All of which may at times label themselves as "Libertarian". Believe it or not, there are some groups out there that say that Ron Paul is not a Libertarian based on some of the views he held. The left-libertarian camp ripped Paul for his views on abortion and gay rights. Of course, no one really heard much about that because they are such a very small group of people.

Yeah, "libertarian" has a lot of meanings depending on what group is using it, and our meaning for libertarian isn't any more or less correct than theirs. In fact, libertarian in Europe means something very different. Many communists even call themselves "libertarian." We all need to remember that we are not the arbiters of word definitions or how others use them; we are merely the safe-keepers of our philosophy, whatever we choose to call it in whatever era/locale: classic liberalism, libertarianism, voluntaryism, anarchism, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Whether you support helping out our allies overseas when they get attacked or not, helping out another country that's been attacked is not an example of an "offensive war."

It's in no way non-defensive, as I specified.

 

[cajuncocoa]

"Libertarian" is a blanket term to describe several factions. One of which are libertarian Republicans, or libertarian-conservatives (choose your label they are interchangeable). That is what Rand, Amash, Massie, Labrador, Yoho, Cruz and others are. Ron is probably best described at a "paleolibertarian".

Add to the general "Libertarian" umbrella and you have left-libertarians, agorists, an-caps, neo-libertarians, and other groups. All of which may at times label themselves as "Libertarian". Believe it or not, there are some groups out there that say that Ron Paul is not a Libertarian based on some of the views he held. The left-libertarian camp ripped Paul for his views on abortion and gay rights. Of course, no one really heard much about that because they are such a very small group of people.

I'm sure you could probably find a way to tag Barack Obama as a "libertarian" but that doesn't mean he is. Neither is Glenn Beck.

 

[Brett85]

It's in no way non-defensive, as I specified.

Well, it isn't offensive either. If you're walking along a street and see a man hold a gun to a three year old's head, and then you take out your gun and shoot that man in order to save the three year old, that's not an example of an "offensive" action.

 

[FrankRep]

A public apology to Debra Medina live on FOX News with a matching front page article on The Blaze would be a start. Until that moment, he's a snake and can't be trusted.

Debra Medina made a critical mistake by dancing around the 9/11 Truth issue. Medina should have known that 9/11 is a hot button for Beck. Critical rookie mistake.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Ron has always spoken on behalf of a strong national defense. I don't think it's at all illogical to hold a noninterventionist position, and it is certainly the moral position.

That's exactly how I feel as well.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Debra Medina made a critical mistake by dancing around the 9/11 Truth issue. Medina should have known that 9/11 is a hot button for Beck. Critical rookie mistake.

Beck knew damn good and well Medina was not a politician. He shoved a loaded question at her that only a masterful politician could have smoothed over. So I call bullshit on that one.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

I'm sure you could probably find a way to tag Barack Obama as a "libertarian" but that doesn't mean he is. Neither is Glenn Beck.

I'm going to say neither are you then. I am going to solely label only the libertarian-conservative position as the true meaning of Libertarian, and any divergence from that point and you are no longer part of the camp - in fact you are an infiltrator, a we will not stand for your co-optation. How dare you call yourself a Libertarian and not fall exactly in line with the exact ideology of Barry Goldwater? Be gone, you enemy of the Constitution.

See how stupid that sounds? Now look in the mirror and listen to what you, yourself are saying.

Incidentally, there are some (voluntaryists, objectivists, anarcho-capitalists) who believe that Ron Paul people are co-opting the Libertarian movement. http://www.examiner.com/article/are-ron-paul-republicans-hijacking-the-libertarian-movement They don't want you around.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Well, it isn't offensive either. If you're walking along a street and see a man hold a gun to a three year old's head, and then you take out your gun and shoot that man in order to save the three year old, that's not an example of an "offensive" action.

IF I personally assess a situation such as you pose and believe it to be an offensive act in the offing, that does not mean that I have the right to force other people to come to the defense of someone else.

If someone wants to go fight for the liberty of another country, I would not stand in their way. They do not have the right to force other people to fight for their cause, however.

 

[Article V]

I'm sure you could probably find a way to tag Barack Obama as a "libertarian" but that doesn't mean he is. Neither is Glenn Beck.

cajuncocoa, I like you based off your name alone. But I think you need to do more history on the word libertarian, because it's not a term that applies just to those who think like us. Many libertarians have beliefs we vehemently disagree with, but that disagreement doesn't make them not libertarian--just like there are many variations on skin pigmentation and, thus, Seal can't intelligently call Beyonce not black.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

I'm going to say neither are you then. I am going to solely label only the libertarian-conservative position as the true meaning of Libertarian, and any divergence from that point and you are no longer part of the camp - in fact you are an infiltrator, a we will not stand for your co-optation. How dare you call yourself a Libertarian and not fall exactly in line with the exact ideology of Barry Goldwater? Be gone, you enemy of the Constitution.

See how stupid that sounds? Now look in the mirror and listen to what you, yourself are saying.

Incidentally, there are some (voluntaryists, objectivists, anarcho-capitalists) who believe that Ron Paul people are co-opting the Libertarian movement. http://www.examiner.com/article/are-ron-paul-republicans-hijacking-the-libertarian-movement

Fundamental to the meaning of libertarianism is the Non-Aggression Principle. Granted, there can be some vaguary regarding the scope of the NAP, but it would seem pretty deductive that a non-interventionist foreign policy would be found pretty close to the center of that scope.

ETA: And I think it's pretty clear that the objections to Beck, and in some cases with those who have issues with Rand, rest largely over the question of foreign policy. It's fairly non-negotiable.

 

[FrankRep]

Beck knew damn good and well Medina was not a politician. He shoved a loaded question at her that only a masterful politician could have smoothed over. So I call bullshit on that one.

Glenn Beck told her that he received some emails claiming she was a 9/11 truther. He asked her straight up if she thought the U.S. government attacked its own citizens on 9/11. She didn't answer the question and danced around it. Fatal error.

 

[Carlybee]

Debra Medina made a critical mistake by dancing around the 9/11 Truth issue. Medina should have known that 9/11 is a hot button for Beck. Critical rookie mistake.

She should've told him to go spin on a stick..that was her mistake.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Fundamental to the meaning of libertarianism is the Non-Aggression Principle. Granted, there can be some vaguary regarding the scope of the NAP, but it would seem pretty deductive that a non-interventionist foreign policy would be found pretty close to the center of that scope.

ETA: And I think it's pretty clear that the objections to Beck, and in some cases with those who have issues with Rand, rest largely over the question of foreign policy. It's fairly non-negotiable.

Well Beck isn't running for anything so it doesn't matter. And if Rand isn't your guy in 2016, then I am sure there will be some no-name out there that meets your needs. Good luck with that.

But your "non-negotiable" statement illustrates exactly what Beck was talking about when he referenced the Libertarian habit of cannibalization. No big deal though. Life goes on with or without you.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Well Beck isn't running for anything so it doesn't matter. And if Rand isn't your guy in 2016, then I am sure there will be some no-name out there that meets your needs. Good luck with that.

But your "non-negotiable" statement illustrates exactly what Beck was talking about when he referenced the Libertarian habit of cannibalization. No big deal though. Life goes on with or without you.

Way to miss the ENTIRE point of that post. Holy...

Let's try this again - Fundamental to the meaning of "libertarianism" is the NAP. Sure, there may be some negotiation as to what defines the NAP, it seems pretty OBVIOUS that a non-interventionist foreign policy IS included.

Your post basically reads, "rawr I'm mad at your words and definitions, so to heck with you". SMH.

 

[Confederate]

If that truly is Rand's official foreign policy stance, I cannot support him.

You won't support him anyway.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Glenn Beck told her that he received some emails claiming she was a 9/11 truther. He asked her straight up if she thought the U.S. government attacked its own citizens on 9/11. She didn't answer the question and danced around it. Fatal error.

Aaaaand Beck almost certainly received emails about Rick Perry believing in chemtrails...but he never confronted him on that now did he?