Glenn Beck Defends Gay Marriage

[NickOdell]

I've always said I don't believe the federal government should or even has a right to be involved in social issues or questions of morality. The enumerated powers given to the federal government by the Constitution are very clear and limited.

I do believe that government does have a role to play in defending morality, but that it should be done at the most local level possible and I believe that private individuals, organizations, and corporations should do most of the regulating themselves.

Which is it? What's the difference?

I understand the local vs Federal argument, but why do you want the government to legislate morality at any level?

 

[Confederate]

Sounds like you're okay with using government to reinforce your moral view of society, but as soon as homosexuals seek equal recognition for marriage they are imposing their view on you. I fail to see how they are imposing anything on your or how their recognition affects you in any manner. Legislating morality is not moral.

My stance isn't that government must legislate morality, but rather that it should not legislate immorality or give legal protection to immoral behavior.

I see one of two things happening - either gay marriage is legalized or the government gets out of marriage all together. Your choice.

If you read my posts in this thread you'd see I said I want government completely out of marriage.

 

[carclinic]

How else can Glenn legally marry?

 

[Confederate]

How else can Glenn legally marry?

He's a Mormon so I'm sure his real motivation for getting government out of marriage is so he can marry the 3 sisters who live down the road.

 

[BlackTerrel]

LOLz! People like Glenn Beck will do anything to reach out to "trendy young liberty loving republicans" except end the fake "war on terror" and restore civil liberties.

I don't like Beck but that's poor logic.

Beck is who he is. Being Mormon and being pro gay marriage mean less money for him given his target demographic and audience.

If he was about money/influence he wouldn't make those beliefs known.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Yea and even the reach out is only temporary. He will turn into the neocon, establishment loving mouth piece come election time. Its the stroke stroke stab technic, so lets try not to fall for the warm, soothing strokes because it is a harbinger of a deadly stab. I think Debra Medina can tell you a little bit more about it

Glenn Beck has a myriad of political views, some of which closely align with us and some of which do not.

He doesn't calculate every single statement he makes with the most effective way to pull on over on the people who post on RonPaulForums - don't think of it that way.

 

[BlackTerrel]

He's a Mormon so I'm sure his real motivation for getting government out of marriage is so he can marry the 3 sisters who live down the road.

I do like that certain religions we are allowed to bash and certain others we are not.

Can we start an RPF group on Mormonophobia?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...mophopbia-on-Home-Turf&highlight=islamophobia

 

[camp_steveo]

What a novel idea.

/sarcasm

Where the fuck has he been? Where the fuck was he when Dr Paul was running for POTUS?

I am glad he is saying this, but I am still pissed at everyone of the talking heads who dismissed Dr Paul.

 

[Confederate]

I do like that certain religions we are allowed to bash and certain others we are not.

Can we start an RPF group on Mormonophobia?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...mophopbia-on-Home-Turf&highlight=islamophobia

Personally I think you can bash any religion you want, as long as you can back up your "bashing" and don't start crying when someone gives you a taste of your own medicine.

 

[camp_steveo]

He's a Mormon so I'm sure his real motivation for getting government out of marriage is so he can marry the 3 sisters who live down the road.

And that is your business?

/rolling my fucking eyes

 

[Confederate]

And that is your business?

/rolling my fucking eyes

I want the government out of marriage. He can do what he wants and call it "marriage," doesn't mean I'll approve, tolerate, or recognize it, though.

 

[camp_steveo]

Eugh...another defender of allowing sexual deviants to impose their definition of marriage on the rest of society.

Is this what you call "I want the govt out of marriage"? Because it sounds like you want to govt to support your own definition of marriage.

 

[Confederate]

Is this what you call "I want the govt out of marriage"? Because it sounds like you want to govt to support your own definition of marriage.

No, I want government out of marriage so homosexuals, polygamists, pedophiles and others can't use the state's power to force their definition on the rest of society.

If you'd bother to read the thread before posting you'd see I was very clear in my view that the best way to protect traditional marriage is to take away the state's power to define it.

 

[camp_steveo]

No, I want government out of marriage so homosexuals, polygamists, pedophiles and others can't use the state's power to force their definition on the rest of society.

OK

You don't want there to be any form of govt sanctioned marriage?

If that's the case then we agree and I apologize for my rudeness.

 

[NickOdell]

My stance isn't that government must legislate morality, but rather that it should not legislate immorality or give legal protection to immoral behavior.



If you read my posts in this thread you'd see I said I want government completely out of marriage.

Isn't not legislating immorality ONLY legislating morality? Who deems legislation moral?

Is this what you call "I want the govt out of marriage"? Because it sounds like you want to govt to support your own definition of marriage.

this.

 

[Confederate]

OK

You don't want there to be any form of govt sanctioned marriage?

If that's the case then we agree and I apologize for my rudeness.

No, I don't. Government has no authority to define marriage.

 

[Confederate]

Isn't not legislating immorality ONLY legislating morality?

No. Getting marriage completely out of marriage so it can't redefine marriage as something immoral is an example of not legislating immorality, but also not legislating morality.

Who deems legislation moral?

Natural law is a good start.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Personally I think you can bash any religion you want, as long as you can back up your "bashing" and don't start crying when someone gives you a taste of your own medicine.

You can say whatever you want. Free country and all.

He's a Mormon so I'm sure his real motivation for getting government out of marriage is so he can marry the 3 sisters who live down the road.

Except we all know Beck doesn't want to marry his sisters. You just wanted to have a dig at his religion.

God bless sir.

 

[NickOdell]

No. Getting marriage completely out of marriage so it can't redefine marriage as something immoral is an example of not legislating immorality, but also not legislating morality.



Natural law is a good start.

I understand and respect your viewpoint about morality, and we agree gov't shouldn't be involved in marriage at all.

I just disagree with the argument that gay marriage should not be recognized because it is immoral. If gov't is in the marriage business, it should be equal across the board. But that's pretty close to splitting hairs since it is neither of our ideal situations.

 

[jmdrake]

I don't like Beck but that's poor logic.

Beck is who he is. Being Mormon and being pro gay marriage mean less money for him given his target demographic and audience.

If he was about money/influence he wouldn't make those beliefs known.

You must not have been paying attention to republican media in general. It's got nothing to do with Mormonism or Beck for that matter. All over Fox news and other so called "conservative" outlets has been the meme that Romney lost because either people want more "government stuff" or that people want more social liberalism. None of these yahoos have pushed the idea that maybe...just maybe young people that might vote republican don't like the wars, don't the the attack on civil liberties, and didn't buy into the myth that Mitt Romney was a fiscal conservative. But hey, prove me wrong. Post where Glenn Beck said "We're losing young voters because of our foreign policy." Then we can talk about whether my logic is poor or not.