Genetic Modification Gone Wild: 10 Signs That Our World May Be Destined To Resemble A Real

This genetic modifiying is just changing a couple of nucleotides in the host DNA in order to develop specialized proteins . This could really benefit humankind. If you don't like it fine don't support it, but the government has no right to stop it. I thought this place supported free market capitalism.
 
Quite possible.

And it also possible that the FrankenCows are causing it.

http://www.sustainabletable.org/issues/hormones/

Sweet, that has nothing to do with genetically engineering animals and plants, but synthesizing and adapting hormones. Related, but different. And there's no conclusive evidence of the harmfulness of growth hormones either.

Also, early onset puberty in girls likely correlates with the amount of fat on their bodies. Enough fat means that their bodies are ready for puberty.

Also, celphone radiation may cause high mortality in sperm in men.

Not conclusive, admittedly, but there's a lot of evidence pointing in that direction as well.

Neurological like what? Please don't say autism. The diagnostic criteria of autism have changed in the last 30 years and the tools have become more precise, hence an increase in diagnoses.

So there's lots of maybes. Meaning that scaremongering people into hating scientists isn't exactly appropriate when you only have limited information to work with.

And by the way, the market is to blame for this. There's a demand for faster growing animals to produce more meat to be sold, people are merely supplying the demand. You can blame the scientists all you want, but why not blame the capitalists who pump their animals full of drugs they don't have any knowledge on? I'm an an-cap, don't get me wrong. I'm as pro-capitalism as they come. But the free market can result in things you or anyone may morally oppose.
 
This genetic modifiying is just changing a couple of nucleotides in the host DNA in order to develop specialized proteins . This could really benefit humankind. If you don't like it fine don't support it, but the government has no right to stop it. I thought this place supported free market capitalism.

 
So long as company A does not claim B while they actually sell C, all is well.

If they claim THIS IS GMO, and you buy it - buyer beware. If they claim it's natural etc and it's GMO, they should have to fight off lawsuits until their eyeballs pop out. I.e..Free market :).

This genetic modifiying is just changing a couple of nucleotides in the host DNA in order to develop specialized proteins . This could really benefit humankind. If you don't like it fine don't support it, but the government has no right to stop it. I thought this place supported free market capitalism.
 
Let's not forget the Frankenfish! Oh and what the hell is Tilapia? Where is it origins?

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Sources:
http://www.purefood.org/patent/frankenfish031102.cfm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ankenfish-grows-times-fast-normal-salmon.html
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellne...odified-salmon/story?id=11682586#.Tt_WcltNquM
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/2...al-Pushed-by-USDA-with-Nearly-500-000-Funding
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/sep/12/congress-gm-salmon
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/31/nation/la-na-congress-salmon-20110731
 
This genetic modifiying is just changing a couple of nucleotides in the host DNA in order to develop specialized proteins . This could really benefit humankind. If you don't like it fine don't support it, but the government has no right to stop it. I thought this place supported free market capitalism.

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This genetic modifiying is just changing a couple of nucleotides in the host DNA in order to develop specialized proteins . This could really benefit humankind. If you don't like it fine don't support it, but the government has no right to stop it. I thought this place supported free market capitalism.

The answer would not be for the government to stop it, but for private consumer organizations to inform the public about the dangers of it and for people to stop buying it, therefore the market could take care of it. The problem is 90% of what is in grocery stores contains GMO products and even fresh vegetables that are not grown according to organic standards are full of radio mimetic fertilizers, pesticides, and herbicides that have been directly linked to a wide range of diseases and disorders. These are not responsible companies and scientists doing this stuff and the government helps them to do it and encourages it through massive mono-crop subsides of your tax payer dollars. It is profit driven, not for the benefit of humankind, as the tax payer is literally paying them to make them sick so the pharmaceutical complex can also profit from them.

Its one big circle, the same companies that produce the antibiotics you are forced to buy and use due to sickness are the same ones that are 70% of the feed of the same animals you buy in the form of meat to keep you alive, that have been raised in unsanitary, and abusive conditions.

Admittedly some of this stuff could be used for good but there is plenty of evidence that its use in agriculture and the food system is very dangerous. At the very least there should be labeling mandates for the companies that sell this stuff so that consumers can make informed decisions. Do some reading on the effects of horizontal gene transfer, there is a great book by a world renown genetic scientist, Mae-Wan Ho, Genetic Engineering: Dream or Nightmare? I can quote from it if you'd like? It is not widely available here in the US, due to the academic and governmental protections these companies receive. Here is a direct quote:

"A scientist from the Center for Complex Infectious Diseases in Rosemead, Ca, isolated an unusual virus from patients with various chronic fatigue syndrome that has more than fifty bacterial genes. He regards the hybrid virus-bacterium as a new organism and has coined the name 'viteria' for it. Viteria most closely resemble a cytomegalovirus, one of the first viruses to be exploited as a vector for the genetic manipulation of animals. And top of the list of bacteria from which it has captured genes Escherichia coli and Bacillus subtilis, the two most commonly used bacteria in genetic engineering. Could viteria be a pathogenicity island in viral clothing?

As the many virulence genes required for causing disease are all clustered together on mobile, infectious units, non-pathogens could be converted into pathogens in a single horizontal gene transfer event. This emphasizes the dander of releasing transgenic micro-organisms into the environment, even those that are not known to be pathogenic. This has been routinely done since genetic engineering began.

The evidence is now overwhelming that horizontal gene transfer has been responsible for both the rapid spread of antibiotic resistance and the emergence of virulent strains of pathogens...."
I could go on? The problem is not necessarily that they are doing this stuff it is that they are not being responsible about it because it is largely profit driven and this is an area where the ideas of free market capitalism has no experience because it is so intertwined with our own cellular biology and that of the nature we live within. The ideas of freedom are changing in this context. Why do you think there is such an increase in diseases such as diabetes, cancer, super viruses, etc. in the past 50 years? Explain that?

Irresponsible science is surly at the helm, it would be better to be fully informed than advocating this stuff. If you were the grocery store would be a scary place. I raely go in one anymore and when I do I am very selective about what I buy.
 
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There is always risk when creating something new like this, but to shy away from it will keep us from progressing. These GMF are constantly being tested and most of the proteins that are found in most GMF are found in other forms of food that you would otherwise eat. Granted there are some GMFs that have been found to be unhealthy and we should reform them through free-market solutions, but don't punish the good ones out there. The article that you have quoted show only proof of the adaptation of viruses. Basically it saying that a virus exchanged some nucleotides from a bacteria and now there is some kind of psuedo-super bacteria that happened to be from a common strain used in typical experiments. Do you even know what they mean by "horizontal gene transfer"? If you did then you would know that this piece is sensationalism.
 
There is always risk when creating something new like this, but to shy away from it will keep us from progressing. These GMF are constantly being tested and most of the proteins that are found in most GMF are found in other forms of food that you would otherwise eat. Granted there are some GMFs that have been found to be unhealthy and we should reform them through free-market solutions, but don't punish the good ones out there. The article that you have quoted show only proof of the adaptation of viruses. Basically it saying that a virus exchanged some nucleotides from a bacteria and now there is some kind of psuedo-super bacteria that happened to be from a common strain used in typical experiments. Do you even know what they mean by "horizontal gene transfer"? If you did then you would know that this piece is sensationalism.

I think of "progress" as moving towards a goal - otherwise, how can one tell progress from regress? So, this progress you're talking about ... what is the goal?
 
There is always risk when creating something new like this, but to shy away from it will keep us from progressing. These GMF are constantly being tested and most of the proteins that are found in most GMF are found in other forms of food that you would otherwise eat. Granted there are some GMFs that have been found to be unhealthy and we should reform them through free-market solutions, but don't punish the good ones out there. The article that you have quoted show only proof of the adaptation of viruses. Basically it saying that a virus exchanged some nucleotides from a bacteria and now there is some kind of psuedo-super bacteria that happened to be from a common strain used in typical experiments. Do you even know what they mean by "horizontal gene transfer"? If you did then you would know that this piece is sensationalism.

I have a REAL problem with people who have God complexes. Men/women in white coats in labs splicing human genomes into rice, is nothing good, I can assure you.

Sources:
http://www.irec.org.au/farmer_f/pdf_177/The human genome shapes rice breeding.pdf
http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/006/Y4751E/y4751e0c.htm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-440302/The-rice-human-genes.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/021683.html
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/221993-The-Rice-With-Human-Genes
 

So you think genetically modifying food with synthetic medication is okay? Should we all be forced to take vaccines, because government says it is good for us?

Wasn't it government who approved; Vioxx, Advandia, Baycal, Phen-Phen and other medications that maim or killed people? Isn't it government who told everyone sodium fluoride is okay to put in drinking water? How can people use discernment when government gives their seal of approval under the auspices protecting you?
 
"The goal" is to solve world problems through genetic engineering check out the link on the Hep B bananas. What about crops that are resistant to disease and drought.

How do you figure that scientists have a god complex. Scientists are just people in pursuit of knowledge. The engineers are the ones that implement it into society. If you have a problem with GMO or GMF then don't buy. Pay the premium for "100% organic" food. I do admit the the genetic pollution (strains of GMF contaminating wild type or other crops) is a problem, but you can hold the farmers of those crops responsible for it.
 
"The goal" is to solve world problems through genetic engineering check out the link on the Hep B bananas. What about crops that are resistant to disease and drought.

How do you figure that scientists have a god complex. Scientists are just people in pursuit of knowledge. The engineers are the ones that implement it into society. If you have a problem with GMO or GMF then don't buy. Pay the premium for "100% organic" food. I do admit the the genetic pollution (strains of GMF contaminating wild type or other crops) is a problem, but you can hold the farmers of those crops responsible for it.

For the greater good...boy oh boy where have I heard that before? :rolleyes: You endorse Pharma-Crops, then. People are going to be force to be medicated--and you see nothing wrong with this, or a possibility for abuse? Do you realize when farmers buy GMO seeds, they are then beholden to the company for next years crop? The GMO crops will not reproduce seeds to save for the next years crop. A farmer who is growing GMO Corn will contaminate the other farmers in the area.
 
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Noone is forcing the GMFs down anyones throat. The farmers can get seeds from someone else and the other farmers should be able to sue for damages to their crop. Your the one using the state to ban GMF. They are providing alternatives.
 
Noone is forcing the GMFs down anyones throat. The farmers can get seeds from someone else and the other farmers should be able to sue for damages to their crop. Your the one using the state to ban GMF. They are providing alternatives.

If GMO crops destroys other farmers crops then who's rights are being infringed? Do you realize the health risks of consuming GMF's?

Shocking Fact About Genetically Modified Foods

The FDA suppressed a report that described lesions being created in the stomachs of mice that had eaten the Flavr Savr®. As a matter of fact, "Seven out of forty rats tested died within two weeks for unstated reasons."

Do you use Crisco Vegetable oil? Because if you do, it is mostly GMO-soybean oil. 95% of soy grown in the USA is genetically modified.

Sources:
http://www.seedsofdeception.com/Public/AboutGeneticallyModifiedFoods/HealthRisksBrochure/index.cfm
http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/pages/do-gm-crops-increase-yield.aspx
http://www.seedsofdeception.com/Public/AboutGeneticallyModifiedFoods/index.cfm
http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/nutrition/genetically-modified-foods
 
"The goal" is to solve world problems through genetic engineering check out the link on the Hep B bananas. What about crops that are resistant to disease and drought.

How do you figure that scientists have a god complex. Scientists are just people in pursuit of knowledge. The engineers are the ones that implement it into society. If you have a problem with GMO or GMF then don't buy. Pay the premium for "100% organic" food. I do admit the the genetic pollution (strains of GMF contaminating wild type or other crops) is a problem, but you can hold the farmers of those crops responsible for it.

Most of them aren't even labeled.
 
Noone is forcing the GMFs down anyones throat. The farmers can get seeds from someone else and the other farmers should be able to sue for damages to their crop. Your the one using the state to ban GMF. They are providing alternatives.

Do some research. Or pay attention to what others are posting on this thread instead of ignoring them so that you can keep saying your crap.
 
"The goal" is to solve world problems through genetic engineering check out the link on the Hep B bananas. What about crops that are resistant to disease and drought.

How do you figure that scientists have a god complex. Scientists are just people in pursuit of knowledge. The engineers are the ones that implement it into society. If you have a problem with GMO or GMF then don't buy. Pay the premium for "100% organic" food. I do admit the the genetic pollution (strains of GMF contaminating wild type or other crops) is a problem, but you can hold the farmers of those crops responsible for it.

how very specific ... well, perhaps I don't want your solution to my problems.
 
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