Gays and Ron Paul

[mtmedlin]

Shut up and read. Everyone is at least a little gay. Everyone has sexual fantasies that they employ during the act of sex. Are you telling me that in the case of men that there is no penis involved in these fantasies? Everyone is a little gay, at least.

I agree, I am one of the biggest Lesbians I have ever met

 

[mtmedlin]

My apologies. I wasn't aware that there was an officially sanctioned 'tone' I was bound to adhere to. I'll see if I can take note of the humble offerings here and emulate them so as not cause distress with my 'veiled' arrogance. There's already a surplus of ventilated heads.

"More people have been persecuted and killed in the name of the all mighty then any other religion."

The falsity of that statement is easily verifiable, if anyone is interested. If all Christians are required to own the actions of those of their brethren that violate the tenets of their faith, then secularist share the same responsibility.

Greatest Murderers

The simple fact of history is that the greatest evil has always resulted from denial of God, not pursuit of Him. Dennis Prager has noted, "In this [20th] century alone, more innocent people have been murdered, tortured, and enslaved by secular ideologies nazism and communism than by all religions in history."

Grab an older copy of the Guinness Book of World Records and turn to the category "Judicial," sub-heading "Crimes: Mass Killings." You’ll find that carnage of unimaginable proportions resulted not from religion, but from institutionalized atheism.

Guinness reports, "The greatest massacre ever imputed by the government of one sovereign against another is the 26.3 million Chinese killed during the regime of Mao Zedong between 1949 and May 1965. The Walker Report published by the U.S. Senate Committee of the Judiciary in July 1971 placed...the total death toll in China since 1949 between 32.25 and 61.7 million."

In the USSR, Nobel Prize winner Alexander Solzhenitsyn estimated that state repression and terrorism took over 66 million lives from 1917 to 1959 under Lenin, Stalin and Khrushchev.

The worst per capita genocide happened in Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge. According to Guinness, "More than one third of the eight million Khmers were killed between April 17, 1975 and January 1979."

The greatest evil does not result from people zealous for God. It results when people are convinced there is no God to whom they must answer.

Gregory Koukl str.org

When a Christian engages in deeds that violate the precepts of his faith, beginning with, "You shall love the Lord God with all your heart, all your soul, all your strength, and all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.", he violates the precepts of his religion. When anyone else engages in what for a Christian would be immoral or criminal acts, including the atheistic secular humanist, he is justified by 'situational ethics', or any number of interchangeable precepts of his unique and personal religion.

Shame used to be a great regulator of societal norms. It's an extinct concept now. We have 'evolved' past shame. I've also envisioned America in zones, where if you wanted to live your life without having to avoid stepping on copulating couples on the sidewalk you would reside in the Southeast. And if you wanted your children to be free to engage in sidewalk copulation you would live near the West coast, and so on. Does that sound reasonable?

I didnt mean to come across as harsh about the tone. I really do enjoy good debate, it just seems recently everybody has to be more insulting then analytical.
The fault I find in your debate is that you group people who are perceived as atheist in a single group and assign motivations based solely on atheism. I dont believe for one second that atheism was the drive behind Hitler. In fact he was a baptized Roman Catholic during his childhood in Austria. I havent read all of Hitlers books but it was a professor from UCF in Orlando that pointed out to me that in Mein Kampf that he refers to the "Creator" in a biblical way. He actually had the nerve to say that his ethinic cleansing was godly because the Jews had denied Jesus christ.
The Christian slaughtered the Islamics during the crusades. George Bush is still killing islamics. Even Lenin who was an atheist didnt ban religion or prayer.
I believe that both sides have commited acts and to act as if christians are not every bit the problem is just dishonest in my opinion.
For the record, Iam not even an atheist. I dont state my religion but I do get attacked and told that I am nothing more then a typical atheist and in truth, I am not.

 

[sophocles07]

Shut up and read. Everyone is at least a little gay. Everyone has sexual fantasies that they employ during the act of sex. Are you telling me that in the case of men that there is no penis involved in these fantasies? Everyone is a little gay, at least.

Now read this: The genetic case for sexual preference is clearly established. Hey how about these twins?

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/twin-po...00010000000001

For the religious that condemn homosexuality, I give them their own god, the one that creates everything, including gay people. Of course, god created "Satan" as well, and for some reason chooses not to control him.

Now, pay attention. My brother was a Marine, and an Airman. He was quite the pole climber. I mean he worked for the cable company. He contracted HIV as the result of some booo-ya in the Corps. I spent quite a lot of time with him after I learned of his disease, and as a result have become educated. Let me tell you a little story...

My brother and I spent a week or so walking and riding trails. He seemed bummed out all week. I wasn't in the greatest of shapes myself, just coming off another divorce, and without any dates for months. I took him home, and we spent a few hours sulking around his apartment. Then the phone rang. It was his boyfriend. He was down at the payphone. I didn't know they had broken up. You should have seen the sunshine on my brother's face. I was actually jealous that he was in love and I was not.

Does everyone get it now? Homosexuals love each other just like herterosexuals do. My brother was one of the better men I have ever known...in the sense of what a "real man" is...but he loved men romantically and always had, since he was a kid, even.

Now, some may find the "practice" of homosexuality to be repulsive, but when big fat me gives a big fat kiss to my big fat girlfriend, her kids are pretty repulsed by that, too. Nature isn't all that pretty when it comes to the mechanics of species survival. As the planet continues to be infested with far too many human beings, there is much to be gained by allowing those with homosexual tendencies to continue with what their hearts want, and homosexuality might well be nature's way of slowing down population growth. The last thing we need is more breeders.

Now, as far as gay marriage goes, I have to ask: Why? Why does anyone want to get married? It's like being tied together with knives! Do you think your sex life is so filthy that a god must offically condone it? Is there some legal benefit to marriage? Shit, who wants to be responsible for someone else's debts? I don't get marriage at all, much less gay marriage...but if two gays want to, I assure you, they are in love.

I agree with all this. On marriage particularly. There I agree with you and Shelley and Blake—the latter two believed marriage was an unnatural domestication ‘spirit,’ i.e. freedom in every sense of the word. But, at the same time, financial equality to heterosexual couples should be allowed. I also agree with Camille Paglia in this respect: I don’t support marriage, as it is a religious ritual (the doctrines of which explicitly condemn homosexuality), but I do think that homosexuals should have equal rights under a secular agreement/ritual as far as finance and economic rights go.

I agree, I am one of the biggest Lesbians I have ever met

“Rock and roll.”

 

[DanConway]

Is there some legal benefit to marriage?

A few, yes.

 

[Dirt Roads Scholar]

mtmedlin etc.

Well I guess we'll just have to look elsewhere for a good debate (which I take to mean an amen corner for back-slapping anti-theists). I sure don't see a debate here. Those dirty Christians keep posting things that get some people's pantyhose in a knot, and that can't be good for debate.

I certainly don't buy the tripe that 'we're all gay' somehow. I'd be willing to bet that there's a few here though that like the anonymity of sites like these to virtually escape from the basement bedroom at their momma's house in Connecticut. They're so much cooler online.

Adios

"Having been issued the false prospectus of happiness through unlimited
sex, modern man concludes, when he is not happy with his life, that his
sex has not been unlimited enough."
"The work of dissolving boundaries continues, never satisfied that it
has gone quite far enough—as if to accept one limitation or taboo would
be to admit the legitimacy of all." Theodore Dalrymple, NRO

 

[sophocles07]

Well I guess we'll just have to look elsewhere for a good debate (which I take to mean an amen corner for back-slapping anti-theists). I sure don't see a debate here. Those dirty Christians keep posting things that get some people's pantyhose in a knot, and that can't be good for debate.

I certainly don't buy the tripe that 'we're all gay' somehow. I'd be willing to bet that there's a few here though that like the anonymity of sites like these to virtually escape from the basement bedroom at their momma's house in Connecticut. They're so much cooler online.

Adios

What you do is not called 'debate,' it's claiming things without reason or evidence. "Dirt Roads Scholar."