Gay marriage is NOT AN ISSUE!

[pochy1776]

http://objflicks.com/TakeMeBackToTheFifties.htm

 

[Sola_Fide]

This is garbage! Wrong on so many levels...

This is one of the reasons I despise the Libertarian party at the national level.

 

[Brett85]

I think there are a lot of Ron Paul supporters/libertarian leaning people like myself who are with libertarians on about 90% of the issues. We agree on ending the wars, opposing unconstitutional laws like the Patriot Act and the NDAA, opposing tax increases, opposing government involvement in healthcare, energy, housing, welfare, education, etc. However, we disagree on some of the social issues like gay marriage, abortion, and immigration. It seems as though the gay marriage issue seems to be a deal breaker for some of the hardcore libertarians, even though we agree on all these other issues. It seems as though a lot of people here couldn't even support someone like Chuck Baldwin if he ran for Congress, simply because of the gay marriage issue. I have to wonder why it seems like so many libertarians seem to have a litmus test on this issue, even though we agree on so many other major issues. I personally could vote in favor of someone who supports gay marriage, even though I don't agree with that position.

 

[angelatc]

I personally could vote in favor of someone who supports gay marriage, even though I don't agree with that position.

Sure. But I'd rather vote for someone who will use it as a bargaining chip rather than someone who just hands the cry baby liberals yet another one sided victory.

 

[Nickels]

At least in the 50s, there was real food and kids were not doped on ritalin. Huh, Anti-Psychiatry..... makes the libertarian movement look bad.

real food didn't disappear, nobody is forcing anybody to eat GMO or fast food or whatever people are complaining about. more choices does not mean the original choice is gone.

 

[pochy1776]

real food didn't disappear, nobody is forcing anybody to eat GMO or fast food or whatever people are complaining about. more choices does not mean the original choice is gone.

I know, I know. But you don't see the old ivy league clothing anymore.

 

[Sola_Fide]

I think there are a lot of Ron Paul supporters/libertarian leaning people like myself who are with libertarians on about 90% of the issues. We agree on ending the wars, opposing unconstitutional laws like the Patriot Act and the NDAA, opposing tax increases, opposing government involvement in healthcare, energy, housing, welfare, education, etc. However, we disagree on some of the social issues like gay marriage, abortion, and immigration. It seems as though the gay marriage issue seems to be a deal breaker for some of the hardcore libertarians, even though we agree on all these other issues. It seems as though a lot of people here couldn't even support someone like Chuck Baldwin if he ran for Congress, simply because of the gay marriage issue. I have to wonder why it seems like so many libertarians seem to have a litmus test on this issue, even though we agree on so many other major issues. I personally could vote in favor of someone who supports gay marriage, even though I don't agree with that position..

It is because homosexual propagandists have convinced large numbers of people that sexual behavior is a civil rights issue. It's bizarre.

 

[pochy1776]

It is because homosexual propagandists have convinced large numbers of people that sexual behavior is a civil rights issue. It's bizarre.

Civil Rights- Harmful Racism (violence) The right to vote, Due process ETC All the lawyer stuff. Civil rights today means coddling and wanting everything your way.

 

[TheTexan]

It seems as though the gay marriage issue seems to be a deal breaker for some of the hardcore libertarians, even though we agree on all these other issues. It seems as though a lot of people here couldn't even support someone like Chuck Baldwin if he ran for Congress, simply because of the gay marriage issue.

I haven't seen that. Most people on RPF don't seem to give a shit really. Some people are rabidly against gay marriage, but I don't think there's many here that are rabid supporters of gay marriage.

Except for the gay people who actually have a vested interest, I'd say "not giving a shit" is the only rational libertarian position.

The people here who are rabidly against gay marriage... most of them are bigots. The libertarian approach would be to make sure their church doesn't marry gay people. The bigot approach is to make sure no church marries gay people.

Similarly, the people who are rabidly for gay marriage... aside from gay people who I think are entitled to their (wrong) opinion, are the aforementioned "fucking liberals."

 

[Brett85]

The bigot approach is to make sure no church marries gay people."

Not to beat a dead horse, but there are no laws that forbid a church from marrying a gay couple now. A church isn't going to receive criminal penalties for performing a gay marriage ceremony.

 

[phill4paul]

Not to beat a dead horse, but there are no laws that forbid a church from marrying a gay couple now. A church isn't going to receive criminal penalties for performing a gay marriage ceremony.

TC, have you started any initiative in your town, county or state to end the governmental licensing of a holy sacrament?

 

[TheTexan]

Not to beat a dead horse, but there are no laws that forbid a church from marrying a gay couple now. A church isn't going to receive criminal penalties for performing a gay marriage ceremony.

Technicality, but you're right, that was poorly worded. It's more accurate to say, that most people here who are rabidly against gay people getting marriage certificates, isn't because they don't want an expansion of the state, but rather because they just don't want gay people to get marriage certificates.

The expansion of the state by allowing gay marriage is negligible at best. It's even arguable that it reduces the state. In either case, it should be a non-issue. Once you start caring about it, that indicates either a) bigotry, b) liberal, or rarely c) zealotry against regulation on some quixotic philosophical level

 

[Pericles]

It is too an issue! It's smelly! It's red! Here it is! Chase it! Come on, boy, you know you want it!

You can't resist!

Woof! Woof!

 

[kathy88]

real food didn't disappear, nobody is forcing anybody to eat GMO or fast food or whatever people are complaining about. more choices does not mean the original choice is gone.

Really. Try to get a big gulp in New York. How about some raw milk?

 

[Nickels]

Really. Try to get a big gulp in New York. How about some raw milk?

There are still 30 states where raw milk is legal, human breast milk can be sold too. http://www.onlythebreast.com/ So yes, while there are more regulations today, there are still ore choices, not less.

 

[KingNothing]

A manufactured one at that. You'd think RPFers would be savy enough not to get hooked through the eye.

Has anyone here said that we should forget about other problems and only discuss this one?.

No.

In fact no one here has said that any government involvement is good. We all want less government. Our disagreement arises when we discuss the general perception of homosexuality. I and others advocate that we view gay folks as equals, many of te Chick Fil A supporters you can find do not believe that. This is not a government issue, it is an ideas issue.

 

[KingNothing]

This is garbage! Wrong on so many levels...

This is one of the reasons I despise the Libertarian party at the national level.

They think prejudice is stupid?

 

[Ender]

Technicality, but you're right, that was poorly worded. It's more accurate to say, that most people here who are rabidly against gay people getting marriage certificates, isn't because they don't want an expansion of the state, but rather because they just don't want gay people to get marriage certificates.

The expansion of the state by allowing gay marriage is negligible at best. It's even arguable that it reduces the state. In either case, it should be a non-issue. Once you start caring about it, that indicates either a) bigotry, b) liberal, or rarely c) zealotry against regulation on some quixotic philosophical level

One more time:

THE GOVERNMENT HAS NO BUSINESS IN MARRIAGE.

Just because you've been in The Matrix all your life does not mean this is a non-issue. Gay. Straight. It doesn't matter- it is one more personal decision that is co-opted by the Great Nanny. You should care about government intervention into private lives as much as you care about illegal wars, as they are one and the same thing.

 

[TheTexan]

One more time:

THE GOVERNMENT HAS NO BUSINESS IN MARRIAGE.

Government involvement in marriage is an issue. Government involvement in gay marriage is not an issue.

 

[Ender]

Government involvement in marriage is an issue. Government involvement in gay marriage is not an issue.

That is like saying:

Government involvement in rice is an issue. Government involvement in brown rice is not an issue.