Gary Johnson Gary Johnson supporters shunned?

[specsaregood]

I'm a huge supporter of GJ for president, but I agree with you that his best path was a Senate run. However, I say that not because I wanted a generic win for the a liberty movement, but because I have always admired Gary Johnson. His trifecta of entrepreneur/governor/adventurer was literally the best resume I have ever seen. I wanted to see him in office, and didn't see the point of him running for President when Ron Paul was already so well positioned to run (i.e. existing power base).

The fact that we had a supposed liberty candidate polling as the favorite for an open US senate seat without spending a dime and that candidate decided instead to go off on a useless presidential run on a 3rd party ticket told me all I needed to be told. He isn't serious about making any progress through the political process. Fair enough, it sucks for us; but that is his choice. However, I don't support people that arent serious.

 

[sailingaway]

If you write in Ron Paul you don't vote for them. That hurts them as much as voting for GJ. It is the same vote not for Romney and for someone who isn't going to beat him. It is just under a 'none of the above' catchall category between the total vote and the vote for named candidates. But if what you want is a vote for Ron, that is the only way to get it. A vote for Gary is a vote for Gary, not Ron.

But those who WANT to vote for Gary should.

 

[tuggy24g]

So your telling me that if Gary Johnson gets 3-7% throughout the us more then any Libertarian candidate ever has gotten is not more powerful. They can see a boost to a party and what a lot of angry fed up people can do to help a party grow. Now writing in Ron Paul will only make the GOP think that people are so hell bent on Ron Paul that they will vote for a guy who lost and just plain out think it is funny your voting for Ron Paul. The GOP as I said are trying to get Gary Johnson off the ballot in some swing states like PA (were I live). They know that will hurt them more then writing in Ron Paul.
I personally do not see how writing in Ron Paul's name is better way to show the Republicans a message when only a few states will even count the vote as Gary Johnson is in all 50 states. Makes no sense to me.

 

[erowe1]

So your telling me that if Gary Johnson gets 3-7% throughout the us more then any Libertarian candidate ever has gotten is not more powerful. They can see a boost to a party and what a lot of angry fed up people can do to help a party grow. Now writing in Ron Paul will only make the GOP think that people are so hell bent on Ron Paul that they will vote for a guy who lost and just plain out think it is funny your voting for Ron Paul. The GOP as I said are trying to get Gary Johnson off the ballot in some swing states like PA (were I live). They know that will hurt them more then writing in Ron Paul.
I personally do not see how writing in Ron Paul's name is better way to show the Republicans a message when only a few states will even count the vote as Gary Johnson is in all 50 states. Makes no sense to me.

3-7% is a big range. I see 3% as just barely possible.

But whatever the percent is, if GJ gets 2% and uncounted write-ins get 2%, that has the same effect as if GJ gets 4% and uncounted write-ins get 0%.

They already learned a lot more about how much of a factor we are in the GOP primaries than they will from whatever happens in the general election.

 

[torchbearer]

3-7% is a big range. I see 3% as just barely possible.

But whatever the percent is, if GJ gets 2% and uncounted write-ins get 2%, that has the same effect as if GJ gets 4% and uncounted write-ins get 0%.

They already learned a lot more about how much of a factor we are in the GOP primaries than they will from whatever happens in the general election.

its more like GJ gets 1% and write in may get 1%(since most won't be counting in most states),
and the people will continue to bad mouth the LP. "they can't even get over 1%"
and so- people dismiss another option in a multi-front fight for liberty.

 

[sailingaway]

So your telling me that if Gary Johnson gets 3-7% throughout the us more then any Libertarian candidate ever has gotten is not more powerful. They can see a boost to a party and what a lot of angry fed up people can do to help a party grow. Now writing in Ron Paul will only make the GOP think that people are so hell bent on Ron Paul that they will vote for a guy who lost and just plain out think it is funny your voting for Ron Paul. The GOP as I said are trying to get Gary Johnson off the ballot in some swing states like PA (were I live). They know that will hurt them more then writing in Ron Paul.
I personally do not see how writing in Ron Paul's name is better way to show the Republicans a message when only a few states will even count the vote as Gary Johnson is in all 50 states. Makes no sense to me.

I'm voting for Ron Paul for ME, not for them.

 

[tuggy24g]

3-7% is a big range. I see 3% as just barely possible.

But whatever the percent is, if GJ gets 2% and uncounted write-ins get 2%, that has the same effect as if GJ gets 4% and uncounted write-ins get 0%.

They already learned a lot more about how much of a factor we are in the GOP primaries than they will from whatever happens in the general election.

Well then why are they trying to get Gary Johnson off the ballot in PA? They are scared of the votes he might get from Ron Paul supporters. Gray Johnson is the only Liberty minded type person running and they think Ron Paul supporters will support him. Why not just vote Gary Johnson and make him boost in the polls to make the Republicans mad that they lost the ballot access. Then lost a ton of votes

 

[erowe1]

Well then why are they trying to get Gary Johnson off the ballot in PA? They are scared of the votes he might get from Ron Paul supporters. Gray Johnson is the only Liberty minded type person running and they think Ron Paul supporters will support him. Why not just vote Gary Johnson and make him boost in the polls to make the Republicans mad that they lost the ballot access. Then lost a ton of votes

If lack of support from RP supporters makes them lose, it doesn't matter if those RP supporters vote GJ or not.

 

[hrdman2luv]

Well then why are they trying to get Gary Johnson off the ballot in PA? They are scared of the votes he might get from Ron Paul supporters. Gray Johnson is the only Liberty minded type person running and they think Ron Paul supporters will support him. Why not just vote Gary Johnson and make him boost in the polls to make the Republicans mad that they lost the ballot access. Then lost a ton of votes

That would definitely send them a message. And even a be a little redemption for what they did to Ron Paul and us.

 

[sailingaway]

That would definitely send them a message. And even a be a little redemption for what they did to Ron Paul and us.

there is more redemption for Ron Paul supporters in making Romney lose votes by voting for Ron Paul.

 

[hrdman2luv]

If lack of support from RP supporters makes them lose, it doesn't matter if those RP supporters vote GJ or not.

Yes it does. Because Gary Johnson is taking over where Ron Paul left off. The media will portray that. Of course it will piss the Romney supporters off. But who cares about the Romney supporters. They are as much of the problem as Romney and Obama are.

 

[fr33]

Herding Cats. I think both sides of the GJ debate can be wrong and right.

The Johnson supporters should realize that as bad as he is, he doesn't have a future of unified support from us in running again for president. Plenty of evidence has been presented that he just can't be trusted. I'm worried he'll keep running for president after this election. He will only divide us more. In my opinion he is only viable this election as a protest vote. Surely we can do better in the future. He should run for other offices in the future.

 

[hrdman2luv]

I don't think write in votes will even be counted in most states. Where I live, it's all electronic. Even the paper ballots are electronically read. The ballots aren't kicked out to be read by a person. If the box isn't checked, it's counted as a no-vote.

 

[sailingaway]

The number of total voters are counted and the number who vote for the named candidates are counted and the difference is those who voted and refused all presidential choices on the ballot. a no confidence vote at minimum, by someone who cared enough to go to the polls.

WE can spread the number if it is a large one.

 

[AFPVet]

He's catching on, I'm telling ya

He needs a hot, hard core rocker chick like Aimee Allen though

 

[WesSeid]

its more like GJ gets 1% and write in may get 1%(since most won't be counting in most states),
and the people will continue to bad mouth the LP. "they can't even get over 1%"
and so- people dismiss another option in a multi-front fight for liberty.

This is the part some people seem to be missing or dismissing. The Reps and Dems may notice Paul write-ins, but the masses will have a higher chance noticing what happens with a third party, and that may help other parties the next time.

One option has a higher chance of slaying the two-headed beast than the other option.

 

[hrdman2luv]

This is the part some people seem to be missing or dismissing. The Reps and Dems may notice Paul write-ins, but the masses will have a higher chance noticing what happens with a third party, and that may help other parties the next time.

One option has a higher chance of slaying the two-headed beast than the other option.

This is what I've been trying to say all along. Thanks for putting it in better words.

This election is lost. There's no chance for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson. We all know this. But we can start setting ourselves up for 2014 and 2016. We can start building the LP now for Congress & Senate for both state and federal. We will have a say-so in who we, the LP runs for president in 2016.

How much chance does anyone think we'll have doing that in the GOP presidential race in 2016? Especially with Jeb Bush, Chris Christie or Paul Ryan in the mix. Or even worse, if Romney beats Obama? If that happens, Romney will be the GOP nominee no matter what.

 

[erowe1]

Yes it does. Because Gary Johnson is taking over where Ron Paul left off. The media will portray that. Of course it will piss the Romney supporters off. But who cares about the Romney supporters. They are as much of the problem as Romney and Obama are.

So how do we annoy the Gary Johnson supporters? Because I'm starting to want to do that.

 

[erowe1]

I don't think write in votes will even be counted in most states. Where I live, it's all electronic. Even the paper ballots are electronically read. The ballots aren't kicked out to be read by a person. If the box isn't checked, it's counted as a no-vote.

It doesn't matter if they're counted. As long as they're not votes for Romney or Obama, they have the same effect on the election that a vote for Johnson does.

 

[LibertyEagle]

there is more redemption for Ron Paul supporters in making Romney lose votes by voting for Ron Paul.

Except they won't be counted and no one but yourself will know that you did.