Gary Johnson Gary Johnson supporters shunned?

[tuggy24g]

You guys are right not voting either Obama or Romney will have an effect, but it will not be felt or seen. Voting third party as in Gary Johnson will effect more then writing in Ron Paul. See if we have make the Libertarian party boost in poll numbers from 1% to 3-10 that will be huge. It will show America that what happened this election cycle with Romney and what Obama has been doing to this country. Well we will not take it anymore. Then how great will it be when you see on CNN or Fox say the Libertarian party got the most votes ever in history. Who cares who is running on the Libertarian ticket. Voting for the Libertarian party would as I said will make a bigger message.

Now I do live in a state were write ins do count, but I want my voice heard far and wide. Writing in Ron Paul's name does not make me think it will be heard.

 

[sailingaway]

This is the part some people seem to be missing or dismissing. The Reps and Dems may notice Paul write-ins, but the masses will have a higher chance noticing what happens with a third party, and that may help other parties the next time.

One option has a higher chance of slaying the two-headed beast than the other option.

Except that if we liked the number we would spread it ourselves. We have pretty good internet penetration, and the major media doesn't really 'report' third parties either. They list them, and you look them up.

 

[hrdman2luv]

So how do we annoy the Gary Johnson supporters? Because I'm starting to want to do that.

I've had many Romney and Obama supporters tell me the same thing.

Just sayin.

 

[hrdman2luv]

It doesn't matter if they're counted. As long as they're not votes for Romney or Obama, they have the same effect on the election that a vote for Johnson does.

Ok, to heck with it all. I'm tired of fighting. I'm just gonna cast my vote for Obama. and forget about this whole friggin ordeal.... I shouldn't have to argue and debate something as simple as backing ONE liberty candidate.

If the votes don't matter, then why not get behind ONE?

One has to wonder about the whole concept of being principled? You won't vote for a guy you know isn't going to win, because he's not EXACTLY like Ron Paul... NEWS FLASH........ There is no Ron Paul in the race. I doubt he even care's how many write in's he gets. His biggest concern is us all getting together and changing the way DC does business. I doubt he could care less as to how. Just as long as it gets done. And considering the fact that we can't come together and do this without Ron Paul holding everyone's hand, is THE MAIN reason why all our divided votes will go unnoticed. And therefore make no difference to either the RNC or the DNC. But combine those votes behind one person, and the media will take notice.

Even Ron Paul admitted that he's got a few million votes. Combine those with a few million the LP will get, and the Republicans and democrats that are disgusted with their party, and you've got yourself an 8 to 10% bump from past elections. We could actually break the 10% mountain that hasn't happened since Perot. Which sets ourselves up for small victories in 2014.

But, do as you wish.......... I'm not quitter. But I know when I'm talking to brick walls.




Just joking about the Obama vote. I don't hate America.

 

[specsaregood]

I shouldn't have to argue and debate something as simple as backing ONE liberty candidate.

Well I disagree that he is a liberty candidate. His cost benefit analysis mantra is the fast road to fascism.
edit: in fact, his CBA philosophy explains to me why he is so quick to accept the necessity of US run gulags. hell, the cost of trials and treating people with human rights is just too much and outweighs the benefits.

 

[hrdman2luv]

Well I disagree that he is a liberty candidate. His cost benefit analysis mantra is the fast road to fascism.

We are already under a fascist government. And I haven't seen one time where Johnson supports corporate welfare. I don't care how big a corporation gets, as long as it's not from my tax $$$$.

 

[shane77m]

I have read on here that people would not vote for GJ because he is pro-choice.

The abortion issue for me used to be a primary issue for me when I decided to vote. I always thought that Republicans were the go to party when it came to being pro-life. I began to think though that if all of the politicians that ran on a pro-life platform were really pro-life then abortion would most likely be illegal. Politicians like to blow smoke. So far in this election I am thinking that it really doesn't matter for whom I cast my vote.

To paraphrase Ron Paul "when the morality of the people changed so did the laws."

 

[erowe1]

Ok, to heck with it all. I'm tired of fighting. I'm just gonna cast my vote for Obama. and forget about this whole friggin ordeal.... I shouldn't have to argue and debate something as simple as backing ONE liberty candidate.

If the votes don't matter, then why not get behind ONE?

You can get behind one. More power to you. Just don't expect others to join you.

 

[hrdman2luv]

I have read on here that people would not vote for GJ because he is pro-choice.

The abortion issue for me used to be a primary issue for me when I decided to vote. I always thought that Republicans were the go to party when it came to being pro-life. I began to think though that if all of the politicians that ran on a pro-life platform were really pro-life then abortion would most likely be illegal. Politicians like to blow smoke. So far in this election I am thinking that it really doesn't matter for whom I cast my vote.

To paraphrase Ron Paul "when the morality of the people changed so did the laws."

Abortion is an atrocity. I've never figured out how "freedom of choice" became an infringement on the "right to life". Life is something that we should all support. Even if it can't tell you it wants to live.

I don't support "pro-choice"..... But I know 2 things. Gary Johnson isn't going to win. And no congress, whether it be Republican, democrat or Libertarian party will ever overturn Roe vs. Wade. So pro-life isn't an issue for me. It's like beating a dead horse as of now.

If the issue ever comes to light, and there is enough support to overturn Roe vs. Wade, I'll throw in my 2 cents then.

 

[shane77m]

Abortion is an atrocity. I've never figured out how "freedom of choice" became an infringement on the "right to life". Life is something that we should all support. Even if it can't tell you it wants to live.

I don't support "pro-choice"..... But I know 2 things. Gary Johnson isn't going to win. And no congress, whether it be Republican, democrat or Libertarian party will ever overturn Roe vs. Wade. So pro-life isn't an issue for me. It's like beating a dead horse as of now.

If the issue ever comes to light, and there is enough support to overturn Roe vs. Wade, I'll throw in my 2 cents then.

A person would think that with the times that Republicans have been in control (not sure what that number is) that Roe v Wade would have been overturned. Being as how the Republican party has been branded the pro-life party. I like Ron Paul's idea of overturning RvW. Too bad so many people were blinded by the media to really listen to what he was saying.

Having a child of my own has made me hate the practice all the more.

 

[WesSeid]

Even Ron Paul admitted that he's got a few million votes. Combine those with a few million the LP will get, and the Republicans and democrats that are disgusted with their party, and you've got yourself an 8 to 10% bump from past elections. We could actually break the 10% mountain that hasn't happened since Perot. Which sets ourselves up for small victories in 2014.

But, do as you wish.......... I'm not quitter. But I know when I'm talking to brick walls.

Another point to that is it will be easier to get Ron Paul people to vote for the Libertarian Party candidate than it would to get people in the Libertarian Party to write in Ron Paul.

Well, maybe not, considering your last sentence has some truth.

The abortion issue for me used to be a primary issue for me when I decided to vote. I always thought that Republicans were the go to party when it came to being pro-life. I began to think though that if all of the politicians that ran on a pro-life platform were really pro-life then abortion would most likely be illegal. Politicians like to blow smoke. So far in this election I am thinking that it really doesn't matter for whom I cast my vote.

Democrats have had full control and haven't changed abortion, and Republicans have had full control and haven't changed abortion, so yep.

In the one "church" election debate held around Thanksgiving, (all candidates were seated at a banquet table with a turkey on it. it's on youtube), Ron said how when Republicans had full majority he offered, yet again, his bill to make abortion a state issue. This, he argued, would probably have cut the amount of abortions in half immediately. (something like that.) He still couldn't figure out why Republicans did nothing.

So, yes, if someone is a one-issue abortion voter, they should choose their candidates very carefully, because most of the "pro-life" ones aren't going to do anything about it no matter what they say.

 

[hrdman2luv]

You can get behind one. More power to you. Just don't expect others to join you.

That kind of puts us in a "lesser of two evils" situation doesn't it?

But one thing I've got going for me, at least from my perspective, is "my candidate is going to be on the ballot"

 

[Aratus]

we need three-way or four-way or five-way debates
and i'd include gary johnson in all of them, indeeeedy!

 

[Nathan Hale]

The fact that we had a supposed liberty candidate polling as the favorite for an open US senate seat without spending a dime and that candidate decided instead to go off on a useless presidential run on a 3rd party ticket told me all I needed to be told. He isn't serious about making any progress through the political process. Fair enough, it sucks for us; but that is his choice. However, I don't support people that arent serious.

First off I don't believe he was polling as well as you think. Second, I disagree with you that third party runs aren't serious, but this post was four pages back in the thread so I won't attempt to reinsert a huge debate over it.