Gary Johnson Gary Johnson supporters shunned?

[WesSeid]

Any idea's on how to stop this? Or make it better for all of us. I see no reason for the division. There are many of us that want to see Gary Johnson receive the FULL support of the Liberty Movement. But there are many others that won't support Gary Johnson because he's not more like Ron Paul.........

A main thing to me is the question: "Who are you going to vote for two months from now?"

Johnson doesn't need to replace Ron Paul. Johnson doesn't need to be given the full support of the liberty movement. People don't have to agree with everything he says.

Yet the question still remains: "Who are you going to vote for two months from now?"

If Johnson gets 15% in polls, he will be on stage front and center and live and in color debating Romney and Obama. Isn't that a good thing?
If Johnson gets a decent number of votes, more people might think a third party is viable next time, and the two-headed beast might even worry. Isn't that a good thing?

Supporting Gary Johnson for two months doesn't mean people have to support him after that.

If a "Gary Johnson" ran in 1984, maybe Ron Paul might have had a better chance in 1988, or even in 2012.

Be Libertarian for two months. ...who else is there to support anyway?

 

[hrdman2luv]

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[hrdman2luv]

If Johnson gets into televised debates next to Obama and Romney and says even half of the things he currently does, I think Paul supporters would be dancing in their living rooms and pumping their fists in the air at the message being spread.

But they'd rather just keep up the hope that Ron runs third party, I guess.

It doesn't matter if Johnson wins, and it doesn't matter how, why, or even if he believes what he currently says. Simply put, him saying those things and getting debate time and getting votes for it means more people will take notice and the two-headed beast will take notice.

If Obama starts talking about how we need to balance the budget today and how we need to leave Afghanistan today and how we need to repeal NDAA today, would anyone here believe him? No, but the mere fact of him saying those things to a large audience is a good thing.

We've got to get Johnson on the debates. HE'S THE ONLY ONE THAT'S GONNA POINT OUT THEIR SIMILARITIES. Without Johnson up there, they will seem like day and night...

 

[erowe1]

Ron Paul didn't get the full support of the liberty movement. Some chose to support Gary Johnson instead. And now that Gary Johnson isn't getting the full support of the liberty movement, Ron Paul supporters are supposed to feel obligated to do for Gary Johnson supporters what Gary Johnson supporters wouldn't do for us?

Just let each individual decide. Does it really matter if Johnson gets 2.5% instead of 2%?

 

[erowe1]

We've got to get Johnson on the debates.

How in the world do you imagine that will happen?

 

[hrdman2luv]

How in the world do you imagine that will happen?

That's a good question. I know for sure, that if we don't ALL come together and support Johnson, it'll never happen.

 

[erowe1]

That's a good question. I know for sure, that if we don't ALL come together and support Johnson, it'll never happen.

I know for sure that we won't ALL come together.

 

[torchbearer]

Ron Paul didn't get the full support of the liberty movement. Some chose to support Gary Johnson instead. And now that Gary Johnson isn't getting the full support of the liberty movement, Ron Paul supporters are supposed to feel obligated to do for Gary Johnson supporters what Gary Johnson supporters wouldn't do for us?

Just let each individual decide. Does it really matter if Johnson gets 2.5% instead of 2%?

perhaps you missed the hostility thrown out against those who decide to express their support for Johnson.
have you mentioned that ron isn't running lately? perhaps you've noticed a personality change to the forum from what it was... say in 2007?

 

[WesSeid]

We've got to get Johnson on the debates. HE'S THE ONLY ONE THAT'S GONNA POINT OUT THEIR SIMILARITIES. Without Johnson up there, they will seem like day and night...

Part of me kind of hopes it will only be Obama and Romney in the debates.

Obama: "I want to maybe leave Afghanistan in maybe four years."
Romney: "Me too!"

Obama: "I think we should spend more on Medicare."
Romney: "Me too!"

Obama: "I think we should stop these automatic military cuts that are coming."
Romney: "Me too!"

Obama: "I like the Patriot Act and TSA and NDAA indefinite detention."
Romney: "Me too!"

Obama: "I have no actual budget plan."
Romney: "Me too!"

Ron Paul didn't get the full support of the liberty movement. Some chose to support Gary Johnson instead. And now that Gary Johnson isn't getting the full support of the liberty movement, Ron Paul supporters are supposed to feel obligated to do for Gary Johnson supporters what Gary Johnson supporters wouldn't do for us?

If some people supported Gary Johnson over Ron Paul during the primaries, both were in the running then. Ron Paul is no longer in the running.

Who are you going to support and vote for for the election two months from now? If not Gary Johnson, then who? Even if someone writes in Ron Paul, they can still support trying to get Gary higher in the polls to get him on stage next to big-government #1 and big-government #2.

 

[erowe1]

have you mentioned that ron isn't running lately?

Yes. I was banned for a week for it. I've been successfully reprogrammed and won't say that again.

But all that history aside, I still don't see why GJ supporters think all of us are somehow obligated to support Johnson.

 

[torchbearer]

Yes. I was banned for a week for it. I've been successfully reprogrammed and won't say that again.

But all that history aside, I still don't see why GJ supporters think all of us are somehow obligated to support Johnson.

I support GJ and I don't think you are obligated to support anyone.

 

[erowe1]

Who are you going to support and vote for for the election two months from now? If not Gary Johnson, then who? Even if someone writes in Ron Paul, they can still support trying to get Gary higher in the polls to get him on stage next to big-government #1 and big-government #2.

I'll probably vote for GJ. But it doesn't matter. The part of the 2012 election that mattered is already over. It was the Republican primaries. If GJ supporters missed it, that's their fault. There's no need to treat GJ like a continuation of that, and really no reason to pretend that getting GJ into the debates is a more serious proposition than getting RP into the White House by following SA's and my electoral college strategy.

 

[torchbearer]

I'll probably vote for GJ. But it doesn't matter. The part of the 2012 election that mattered is already over. It was the Republican primaries. If GJ supporters missed it, that's their fault. There's no need to treat GJ like a continuation of that, and really no reason to pretend that getting GJ into the debates is a more serious proposition than getting RP into the White House by following SA's and my electoral college strategy.

what i've seen is an active campaigning against GJ here.
really not necesary. that follows up with the hate for libertarians and "radicals".
like i said, this place isn't what it used to be.

 

[erowe1]

what i've seen is an active campaigning against GJ here.
really not necesary. that follows up with the hate for libertarians and "radicals".
like i said, this place isn't what it used to be.

Have you seen any threads devoted to actively campaigning against GJ?

Or is it more like you've seen threads started for the purpose of actively campaigning for him, and people who don't want to vote for him are pushing back in comments in those threads?

I've seen a lot of the latter. But I haven't seen much at all of the former.

 

[torchbearer]

Have you seen any threads devoted to actively campaigning against GJ?

Or is it more like you've seen threads started for the purpose of actively campaigning for him, and people who don't want to vote for him are pushing back in comments in those threads?

I've seen a lot of the latter. But I haven't seen much at all of the former.

a quick glance:

Everything Ron Paul Supporters Need To Know About Gary Johnson

Gary Johnson and Catholics

The Johnson Deception

Gary Johnson: Statist

Gary Johnson Is Half The Man Ron Paul Is (The Half Not Including The Brains,The Balls Or The Heart)

 

[erowe1]

a quick glance:

Everything Ron Paul Supporters Need To Know About Gary Johnson

Gary Johnson and Catholics

The Johnson Deception

Gary Johnson: Statist

Gary Johnson Is Half The Man Ron Paul Is (The Half Not Including The Brains,The Balls Or The Heart)

Fair enough. I haven't looked at any of those threads.

 

[The Dude]

The only people that are shunning Gary Johnson and those of Ron's supporters that are throwing their votes behind Gary in November are this strange breed of Ron Paul hipsters that think only someone with a last name of Paul and has an (R) next to their name are worthy vehicles of promoting liberty. They are Ron Paul cultists plain and simple, and they are coming out of the woodwork lately denying that Ron Paul has NO CHANCE of becoming President or is even running anymore. They have gone full circle and taken the role that the neocons played in shunning Ron Paul supporters.

The average Ron Paul supporter and libertarian can easily see that Gary is the most desirable candidate on the ballot in November. If someone in this movement seriously puts the abortion issue (which is an even split between Libertarians anyway) over ending the Fed, the drug war, interventionism, foreign aid, bailouts and corporatism, in their defense of not voting for Johnson, they should feel quite comfortable with their neocon friends at the RNC or throwing their support behind the socially intolerant Constitution Party.

 

[sailingaway]

a quick glance:

Everything Ron Paul Supporters Need To Know About Gary Johnson

Gary Johnson and Catholics

The Johnson Deception

Gary Johnson: Statist

Gary Johnson Is Half The Man Ron Paul Is (The Half Not Including The Brains,The Balls Or The Heart)

And I haven't looked at the dates, but he was running AGAINST Ron and his supporters were attacking Ron, at one point, hence his topic line in Opposing Candidates. Bachmann and Santorum were treated no better.

And erowe1 you neglect to mention that when you were mocking people for acting as if Ron was still running was before RNC when in fact 6 states DID file to put him into nomination. We had delegates fighting and going through challenges and people were supporting them.

 

[sailingaway]

The only people that are shunning Gary Johnson and those of Ron's supporters that are throwing their votes behind Gary in November are this strange breed of Ron Paul hipsters that think only someone with a last name of Paul and has an (R) next to their name are worthy vehicles of promoting liberty. They are Ron Paul cultists plain and simple, and they are coming out of the woodwork lately denying that Ron Paul has NO CHANCE of becoming President or is even running anymore. They have gone full circle and taken the role that the neocons played in shunning Ron Paul supporters.

The average Ron Paul supporter and libertarian can easily see that Gary is the most desirable candidate on the ballot in November. If someone in this movement seriously puts the abortion issue (which is an even split between Libertarians anyway) over ending the Fed, the drug war, interventionism, foreign aid, bailouts and corporatism, in their defense of not voting for Johnson, they should feel quite comfortable with their neocon friends at the RNC or throwing their support behind the socially intolerant Constitution Party.

that isn't true, you are just dissing people and calling them names who don't like your candidate. If BJ Lawson were running for President third party I might vote for him. But I get satisfaction in voting for the person who actually represents my views, and for me, that isn't Gary Johnson.

 

[torchbearer]

And I haven't looked at the dates, but he was running AGAINST Ron and his supporters were attacking Ron, at one point, hence his topic line in Opposing Candidates. Bachmann and Santorum were treated no better.

And erowe1 you neglect to mention that when you were mocking people for acting as if Ron was still running was before RNC when in fact 6 states DID file to put him into nomination. We had delegates fighting and going through challenges and people were supporting them.

oh really?

Gary Johnson to drop out of GOP primary to run as Libertarian (12/21/11 5:30 PM EST)




Everything Ron Paul Supporters Need To Know About Gary Johnson
09-03-2012 08:05 PM

Gary Johnson and Catholics
09-03-2012 09:17 AM

The Johnson Deception
08-29-2012 03:42 PM

Gary Johnson: Statist
06-08-2012 03:01 PM

Gary Johnson Is Half The Man Ron Paul Is
08-26-2012 08:18 AM


try again.