Gary Johnson Gary Johnson supporters shunned?

[sailingaway]

oh really?

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try again.

I said I hadn't looked at the dates. But I think a lot of people feel like people here about Ron and principles are being swarmed by an insistence we vote for someone. It is as if people are trying to take over Ron's internet infrastructure and drive dissenters out. That may not be the case, but it does feel pretty demanding. I think it is fine if everyone votes the way they want, but demanding people vote for your candidate and mocking them as 'cultists' if they aren't moved by your candidate isn't friendly.

I do agree those are not friendly threads. In some of the threads, though, Johnson supporters were challenging people to come up with anything wrong about Gary. I suspect those are responses. (I didn't post any of them).

I know you like Johnson, and I don't have a problem with that, I don't think anyone does. You state your reasons and don't push people around. It is the insistence that everyone 'has to' get behind their candidate that people respond to, I think.

 

[specsaregood]

this site got where it is because everybody was united in supporting paul and you are surprised everybody isnt now united in supporting some douche instead?

maybe i should go bump some of the barr vs. baldwin threads, those were fun.

 

[torchbearer]

I said I hadn't looked at the dates. But I think a lot of people feel like people here about Ron and principles are being swarmed by an insistence we vote for someone. It is as if people are trying to take over Ron's internet infrastructure and drive dissenters out. That may not be the case, but it does feel pretty demanding. I think it is fine if everyone votes the way they want, but demanding people vote for your candidate and mocking them as 'cultists' if they aren't moved by your candidate isn't friendly.

i agree, that those people pushing GJ before the conclusion of the convention(and ron's presidntial campaign) were being tasteless and cause much ire.
but campaigning against our LP candidate will not bring people together.
saying you rather be a write-in elector for ron is awesome. remember, i helped get ron on the ballot here in 2008. i know how it is...
but i've thought about that move a lot, it hurt some relationships with my state party because we accidently stole one of their electors keep Barr off our state ballot. (i wasn't disappointed about that).
so, i'm taking a different route. plus, johnson is making an effort to appeal to us. barr told us to fuck off

 

[hrdman2luv]

this site got where it is because everybody was united in supporting paul and you are surprised everybody isnt now united in supporting some douche instead?

maybe i should go bump some of the barr vs. baldwin threads, those were fun.

Calling Gary Johnson a "douche" to some here is like someone calling Ron Paul a douche....... You don't get credibility by calling people names.

BTW, this is a Gary Johnson thread. If your not concerned about Gary Johnson, why are you even interested in this thread?

 

[sailingaway]

I'm not campaigning AGAINST any third party candidate. I am campaigning, in a sense, against any candidate's supporters coming here and trying to mock and shame and demand people to vote for someone they don't want, in tag teams, though. I'm not putting up anti-threads though, just pushing back where that is happening.

 

[specsaregood]

Calling Gary Johnson a "douche" to some here is like someone calling Ron Paul a douche....... You don't get credibility by calling people names.

Ah, I see the confusion, I'm not interested in getting credibility. johnson is a douche.

BTW, this is a Gary Johnson thread. If your not concerned about Gary Johnson, why are you even interested in this thread?

Where did I say I was not concerned or interested? I guess if you are a johnson voter you don't comment in threads about romney or obama?

 

[torchbearer]

I'm not campaigning AGAINST any third party candidate. I am campaigning, in a sense, against any candidate's supporters coming here and trying to mock and shame and demand people to vote for someone they don't want, in tag teams, though. I'm not putting up anti-threads though, just pushing back where that is happening.

i was speaking in general, not you specific.

 

[hrdman2luv]

The only people that are shunning Gary Johnson and those of Ron's supporters that are throwing their votes behind Gary in November are this strange breed of Ron Paul hipsters that think only someone with a last name of Paul and has an (R) next to their name are worthy vehicles of promoting liberty. They are Ron Paul cultists plain and simple, and they are coming out of the woodwork lately denying that Ron Paul has NO CHANCE of becoming President or is even running anymore. They have gone full circle and taken the role that the neocons played in shunning Ron Paul supporters.

The average Ron Paul supporter and libertarian can easily see that Gary is the most desirable candidate on the ballot in November. If someone in this movement seriously puts the abortion issue (which is an even split between Libertarians anyway) over ending the Fed, the drug war, interventionism, foreign aid, bailouts and corporatism, in their defense of not voting for Johnson, they should feel quite comfortable with their neocon friends at the RNC or throwing their support behind the socially intolerant Constitution Party.

I haven't looked. But I betcha you could find a few that didn't realize that Ron Paul was joking last night when he said he needed a break, so he could get ready for 2016......... I wonder just how many people actually took him seriously?

 

[sailingaway]

i agree, that those people pushing GJ before the conclusion of the convention(and ron's presidntial campaign) were being tasteless and cause much ire.
but campaigning against our LP candidate will not bring people together.
saying you rather be a write-in elector for ron is awesome. remember, i helped get ron on the ballot here in 2008. i know how it is...
but i've thought about that move a lot, it hurt some relationships with my state party because we accidently stole one of their electors keep Barr off our state ballot. (i wasn't disappointed about that).
so, i'm taking a different route. plus, johnson is making an effort to appeal to us. barr told us to fuck off

No, Barr wanted US, and pretended to speak to our issues.

But I'm fine with you wanting to vote for Gary. I don't want to, is all.

 

[torchbearer]

No, Barr wanted US, and pretended to speak to our issues.

But I'm fine with you wanting to vote for Gary. I don't want to, is all.

Barr distanced himself from Ron, he didn't want our vote.
He stood Ron up- I kept him off our ballot.

 

[specsaregood]

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[torchbearer]

what?! you don't want to rock?

He's catching on, I'm telling ya

 

[sailingaway]

Barr distanced himself from Ron, he didn't want our vote.
He stood Ron up- I kept him off our ballot.

I'm very pleased you kept him off your ballot. but I'm pretty sure he wanted US -- without Ron. His ego said he would get us, too, I believe.

I agree that what he did at the press conference was blatant, but I wasn't all that happy about a 'newsletter smear' implying Ron was racist being linked on Gary's web page, either. I suspect Gary himself didn't put it there, but people did alert them trying to get it down, and it didn't happen. So, I do have some of the animosity, even if his actions weren't as in your face as Barrs.

But GJ never appealed to me, and I TRIED to like him when I thought Ron wasn't running. So for me, that is that. I understand others will vote for him and they should do what they want to do.

 

[specsaregood]

But GJ never appealed to me, and I TRIED to like him when I thought Ron wasn't running. So for me, that is that. I understand others will vote for him and they should do what they want to do.

I would have supported him in a Senate run, something he was a favorite for and really could have won. He could have made it to the senate and showed us what a liberty minded senator can do. But he didn't... He blew a helluva an opening/chance for the liberty movement by not doing that.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I would have supported him in a Senate run, something he was a favorite for and really could have won. He could have made it to the senate and showed us what a liberty minded senator can do. But he didn't... He blew a helluva an opening/chance for the liberty movement by not doing that.

I agree, but he seemed to believe he was too good for that. Very strange.

 

[hrdman2luv]

I agree, but he seemed to believe he was too good for that. Very strange.

Oh get off it. Gary Johnson is no snob.........

Gary doesn't seem to me as he'd be a team player. At least not with the RNC crowd. They only want team players. You know, the RNC never much of a big deal about Ron Paul until he started spreading his message and people started catching on.

Gary Johnson made it clear in the two debates, that he wasn't a team player. And I'm sure, if there was video of him before he dropped out of the GOP race, you'd find times were he was very critical of the GOP.

Everyone continues to dis GJ for his choices. But you've all got to admit, the RNC and the DNC aren't doing any of us any good. They are destroying this country. And until we rub the lamp and get our 3 wishes, that's not going to change. And if we don't get behind the LP, we will stay divided and nothing for us will change. And then it gets stale. Then apathy sets in, and we lose the will to fight.

You know, thinking about that last line. I didn't leave the DNC and RNC just because they are corrupt lying SOB's. I left mainly because I knew that nothing was ever going to change with them. I only returned to the GOP to help support RP. Because I thought we had a chance to actually change the GOP....... But now, it's clear...... After all this time, Ron Paul couldn't even change the RNC. Even with all the right conservative idea's he brought them. For 30 he couldn't influence them to make ONE right decision. And he was on the inside.

So what are we all fighting for? If you know the answer to that question, maybe you could answer this one....... Why are we fighting with each other? And how does anyone expect getting anywhere by staying divided? We all know Gary Johnson isn't going to beat Obama or Romney. But why can't we use him as a building block to 2014 mid terms and possibly the 2016 presidential race?

 

[Nathan Hale]

I would have supported him in a Senate run, something he was a favorite for and really could have won. He could have made it to the senate and showed us what a liberty minded senator can do. But he didn't... He blew a helluva an opening/chance for the liberty movement by not doing that.

I'm a huge supporter of GJ for president, but I agree with you that his best path was a Senate run. However, I say that not because I wanted a generic win for the a liberty movement, but because I have always admired Gary Johnson. His trifecta of entrepreneur/governor/adventurer was literally the best resume I have ever seen. I wanted to see him in office, and didn't see the point of him running for President when Ron Paul was already so well positioned to run (i.e. existing power base).

 

[Nathan Hale]

I agree, but he seemed to believe he was too good for that. Very strange.

His official explanation is that he didn't want to "belly up to the trough". Totally understandable, not that it would keep me from such an opportunity. I think the long and short of it is that he's an executive, not a legislator. He's not the ideological partisan whose responsibility is to vote and write legislation, he's the pragmatic executive who is good at running a bureaucracy.

 

[tuggy24g]

Here is my take on the subject.

People will do what they want and that is fine. My thing is that we need to find a way to fight the Republicans for what they did to us. We have to show them a message that you screw us so we will do the same to you. The Republicans are a little scared that Gary Johnson might take votes away from them. So in some swing states like PA (Were I live) they are fighting to get him off the ballot. So it would make perfect sense for us to all rally together and vote Gary Johnson to one show what the Ron Paul supporters could have done for the Republican party. Also to show that we will not take the crap you did to us. At the same time work inside the Republican party to get Liberty minded people wins. Doing both will scare the crap out of the GOP! Also we all know Gary Johnson has zero shot to win so we will be using are vote as a protest vote against the Republicans. Even if some of Gary Johnson's polices you do not agree with. Well you never have to worry about him winning so voting for him will like I said make a bigger message then voting any other way.

Now writing in Ron Paul's name is also what they want us to do. Most states will not count that vote so it would be worthless to them. You did not effect the election at all. So your voice will only be heard from you to the lady/man who counts the votes. The vote counter will see how many votes were written in and then throw them away. Your vote will be wasted and only count for your self. So if the GOP want you to write in Ron Paul, but not vote Gary Johnson why not do what they do not want us to do. That is what we did this whole election cycle. Voted the way the GOP did not want us to do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aBJSMG-630

 

[erowe1]

Now writing in Ron Paul's name is also what they want us to do. Most states will not count that vote so it would be worthless to them. You did not effect the election at all.

Ergo, an uncounted write-in for Ron Paul will affect the election exactly as much as a vote for Johnson.