Gary Johnson Gary Johnson supporters shunned?

[hrdman2luv]

Seems the division between Gary Johnson supporters and Ron Paul supporters is growing pretty wide lately. I for one, don't want to see this happening. I don't want to see any divisions within this movement. But it seems, it can't be contained.

Any idea's on how to stop this? Or make it better for all of us. I see no reason for the division. There are many of us that want to see Gary Johnson receive the FULL support of the Liberty Movement. But there are many others that won't support Gary Johnson because he's not more like Ron Paul.........

Clearly there is a difference in principles. And no one can minimize anyone else's principle. So, that leaves us a crossroads.


Any suggestions?

 

[torchbearer]

get used to it. supporters of GJ are now in the role of the ron paul minority, and the ron paul purist are now in the role of rnc kicking sand in our face.
its best to take the hostility with zen.

 

[CaptUSA]

You be you. I'll be me. And the world will be free.


Allow liberty to prosper - even in our own movement. As long as someone isn't trying to take your liberty away, they're a friend. Let each person support whichever path they choose. Hopefully, more and more will become educated. We'll all meet back up when it matters.

 

[torchbearer]

You be you. I'll be me. And the world will be free.


Allow liberty to prosper - even in our own movement. As long as someone isn't trying to take your liberty away, they're a friend. Let each person support whichever path they choose. Hopefully, more and more will become educated. We'll all meet back up when it matters.

see zen.

 

[hrdman2luv]

see zen.

See zen? I don't get it?

 

[hrdman2luv]

get used to it. supporters of GJ are now in the role of the ron paul minority, and the ron paul purist are now in the role of rnc kicking sand in our face.
its best to take the hostility with zen.

You're right about that. But I'm not going to fight with them. I've made my case, that we should back Gary Johnson with some legitimate reasons and evidence. But to deaf ears.

 

[torchbearer]

See zen? I don't get it?

see. zen.

 

[torchbearer]

You're right about that. But I'm not going to fight with them. I've made my case, that we should back Gary Johnson with some legitimate reasons and evidence. But to deaf ears.

the only thing you can do is help GJ campaign in your state.

 

[ctiger2]

The problem is Johnson isn't what he's telling everyone he is. He increased the size of govt and increased spending as Gov of NM. He is good on some issues but essentially he's a fraud just like the rest of them. Sitting this one out.

 

[torchbearer]

The problem is Johnson isn't what he's telling everyone he is. He increased the size of govt and increased spending as Gov of NM. He is good on some issues but essentially he's a fraud just like the rest of them. Sitting this one out.

I did not always have the same understanding of liberty as i do now.
On johnson's website, all his videos promote every single issue ron promotes. you remember, the message we were supposedly trying to push. or was the personality of ron paul you were pushing?

even if you say- well, he is just saying those things...
well, i say- yes, he is saying those things. and that is the point. he is sold on the message and is promising to deliver it.

 

[hrdman2luv]

The problem is Johnson isn't what he's telling everyone he is. He increased the size of govt and increased spending as Gov of NM. He is good on some issues but essentially he's a fraud just like the rest of them. Sitting this one out.

Remember, NM had a huge majority of democrats. And to leave that state with a huge budget surplus speaks largely as to GJ being an actual conservative. Unlike Romney.
I've never actually seen any facts stating that GJ increased the size if NM's government. That's definately something I'd like to see proof of.

 

[hrdman2luv]

I did not always have the same understanding of liberty as i do now.
On johnson's website, all his videos promote every single issue ron promotes. you remember, the message we were supposedly trying to push. or was the personality of ron paul you were pushing?

even if you say- well, he is just saying those things...
well, i say- yes, he is saying those things. and that is the point. he is sold on the message and is promising to deliver it.

Your right. Saying one thing and doing another is a Mitt Romney trait. And doesn't at all seem like a Gary Johnson trait.
I do have issue with his foreign policy. But those things that I disagree with him on, are not even close to being "pro-war".

 

[TrishW]

So they threw us into the opposition forum.. I guess that should tell us something.

 

[sailingaway]

I haven't seen anyone shunning Gary Johnson supporters. Not being interested in the guy you are going to vote for is not shunning YOU.

 

[hrdman2luv]

So they threw us into the opposition forum.. I guess that should tell us something.

It tells me a lot. I feel like a Ron Paul delegate at the GOP convention.....

 

[sailingaway]

So they threw us into the opposition forum.. I guess that should tell us something.

that was during the race. You were HERE then, remember?

Lately if I move stuff I have put it into general politics. I think we may end up with a 2012 projects section or something which might be good. Not sure where organization will end up.

But Johnson WAS an opponent and part of what you are hitting is some of the tactics used here, against us and our candidate, by his supporters. That is pretty natural. If you attack people and the guy they support, coming back to try to get them to vote for your guy is going to hit barriers beyond disinterest in the candidate.

 

[hrdman2luv]

I haven't seen anyone shunning Gary Johnson supporters. Not being interested in the guy you are going to vote for is not shunning YOU.

It was this that made me think/say what I did:

Josh said he gets no forum. GJ supporters need to stop spamming the frak out of us. Your 'take my toys and go' gambit don't wash with me. I could care less what you do. RP and GJ ARE NOT the same and there is no way anybody is gonna get that pitch in the strike zone.

Rev9

Maybe I took it the wrong way. But it seemed like a shun.

 

[sailingaway]

I did not always have the same understanding of liberty as i do now.
On johnson's website, all his videos promote every single issue ron promotes. you remember, the message we were supposedly trying to push. or was the personality of ron paul you were pushing?

even if you say- well, he is just saying those things...
well, i say- yes, he is saying those things. and that is the point. he is sold on the message and is promising to deliver it.

My point is that he had the opportunity to show he was interested in it when he had two terms as governor, and most of it didn't appear in what he did. Also, cost benefit analysis is a real problem for me. Gingrich is now saying he will audit the fed, as is Romney. Should we believe them all?

But I have no problem with others voting however they please, obviously

 

[TrishW]

Why shouldn't we believe that Gingrich and Romney will audit the fed. I believe the audit. I just would have a problem believing the results.

 

[WesSeid]

I did not always have the same understanding of liberty as i do now.
On johnson's website, all his videos promote every single issue ron promotes. you remember, the message we were supposedly trying to push. or was the personality of ron paul you were pushing?

even if you say- well, he is just saying those things...
well, i say- yes, he is saying those things. and that is the point. he is sold on the message and is promising to deliver it.

If Johnson gets into televised debates next to Obama and Romney and says even half of the things he currently does, I think Paul supporters would be dancing in their living rooms and pumping their fists in the air at the message being spread.

But they'd rather just keep up the hope that Ron runs third party, I guess.

It doesn't matter if Johnson wins, and it doesn't matter how, why, or even if he believes what he currently says. Simply put, him saying those things and getting debate time and getting votes for it means more people will take notice and the two-headed beast will take notice.

If Obama starts talking about how we need to balance the budget today and how we need to leave Afghanistan today and how we need to repeal NDAA today, would anyone here believe him? No, but the mere fact of him saying those things to a large audience is a good thing.