Gary Johnson on abortion

[jmdrake]

would you have a serious conversation with someone who tells you he is doing something because Santa said it will get him presents?

And you have the nerve to call other people trolls? You have the nerve to say other people hurt the Ron Paul movement? Earth to LPG, Ron Paul holds the same basic beliefs that you are maligning. And in order to win the nomination in 2012 he or Gary Johnson or whoever will have to win over a significant portion of people who also share those beliefs. This whole thread started because someone was wondering how Gary Johnson would fair in the GOP primary with his stance on abortion. Well I can assure you if GJ adopted your anti Christian rhetoric he'd get his butt kicked. There is nothing he could do that would assure his defeat more than that.

 

[low preference guy]

The funny thing is that if you're right and I'm wrong, we'll never even know because we would just be blacked out as soon as we die. But if I'm right and you're wrong, you're going to be in a world of hurt. There's no need for you to take a chance on that.

you convinced me. i'd better do the right thing. if i don't, i will not only go to hell, but Santa won't get me presents this year! i'll be good from now on.

 

[low preference guy]

Lol. Of course you won't include Muslims in that, who use their religion to justify attacking America.

hell yes i include muslims. i like Christians in general a lot, because many of them don't take their religion seriously (what's the average number of Christians that marry as a virgin? lol!). but muslims are much more of a threat. i don't even consider Christians a threat.

 

[Brett85]

you convinced me. i'd better do the right thing. if i don't, i will not only go to hell, but Santa won't get me presents this year! i'll be good from now on.

You do understand that there's actually historical proof for Christ's existence, death on the cross, and resurrection, don't you? You just make yourself look bad by bringing up Santa Claus.

 

[jmdrake]

hell yes i include muslims. i like Christians in general a lot, because many of them don't take their religion seriously (what's the average number of Christians that marry as a virgin? lol!). but muslims are much more of a threat. i don't even consider Christians a threat.

Well Ron Paul isn't afraid of either. Maybe you're in the wrong movement.

 

[low preference guy]

You do understand that there's actually historical proof for Christ's existence, death on the cross, and resurrection, don't you? You just make yourself look bad by bringing up Santa Claus.

what about the presents?!?!?!? they're proof! and that evidence isn't even from history, i saw the evidence with my own eyes in my lifetime!

 

[ChaosControl]

every form of irrationality affects you. people have justified heinous crimes with religion. of course it affects you. and even if they don't affect you, it's good to help people get rid of irrationality, because it's good for them. and it's not like you're forcing them, in the end they can believe whatever they want.

If a crime is committed, deal with that. That isn't a reason to be disrespectful of an entire belief. It is like the people who bash all Muslims because of 9/11.

Just because you believe something is irrational doesn't mean it is acceptable for you to bash someone's faith. Bashing them helps nothing, it only hurts a relationship that may occur. You can influence someone better if you become friends with them anyway, if you really feel the need to influence them to be non-religious for some irrational reason of your own.

 

[YumYum]

You say that even though Nate uses facts to prove his point. There's a lot of Christian scientists out there who defend intelligent design based on scientific principles.

Not exactly. I went to a debate at a University that held the Skepticon convention that was sponsored by the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. They held a debate that included a panel of atheist scientists and scientists who were Christians. I was neutral, and I really was wanting to see the Christians perform well because I am not an atheist. The arguments that the atheist gave were very well presented with facts, while the Christians would always resort to "Well, there has to be a G-d, because there is no other explanation". One Christian gave an interesting argument citing examples of recent experiments in Quantum Theory, which have proven Einstein to be correct. But overall, the atheist presented their case much more logically, and their evidence was based on more scientific principles than what the Christians had to offer, much to my dismay.

 

[low preference guy]

Well Ron Paul isn't afraid of either. Maybe you're in the wrong movement.

just so you know why i lately took the practice of not ever responding to you? you're the most sanctimonious and boring poster ever.

 

[Brett85]

what about the presents?!?!?!? they're proof! and that evidence isn't even from history, i saw the evidence with my own eyes in my lifetime!

Do you realize that Ron Paul is actually a Christian and believes in creationism? Does that make him irrational in your eyes?

 

[Brett85]

Not exactly. I went to a debate at a University that held the Skepticon convention that was sponsored by the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. They held a debate that included a panel of atheist scientists and scientists who were Christians. I was neutral, and I really was wanting to see the Christians perform well because I am not an atheist. The arguments that the atheist gave were very well presented with facts, while the Christians would always resort to "Well, there has to be a G-d, because there is no other explanation". One Christian gave an interesting argument citing examples of recent experiments in Quantum Theory, which have proven Einstein to be correct. But overall, the atheist presented their case much more logically, and their evidence was based on more scientific principles than what the Christians had to offer, much to my dismay.

Look up a guy named Ken Ham. He's one of the best.

 

[jmdrake]

just so you know why i lately took the practice of not ever responding to you? you're the most sanctimonious and boring poster ever.

And you are an illogical troll. You worry about Ron Paul being hurt politically by "conspiracy theorists" and yet you attack the largest voting block in the GOP? That's just stupid. You love to ask for others to be banned. Eventually the hammer will fall on you.

 

[ChaosControl]

But overall, the atheist presented their case much more logically, and their evidence was based on more scientific principles than what the Christians had to offer, much to my dismay.

I don't really think that religion could ever win that kind debate in the sense that they cannot have science on their side, unless their opposition was just bad. Ultimately it is about "faith" and such, so it is beyond the realm of science. Not something you can prove or provide a valid testable Theory from.

 

[low preference guy]

And you are an illogical troll. You worry about Ron Paul being hurt politically by "conspiracy theorists" and yet you attack the largest voting block in the GOP? That's just stupid. You love to ask for others to be banned. Eventually the hammer will fall on you.

so i made four of five posts making a little fun or religion in an obscure thread on the internet. yep, i just destroyed Ron Paul and Gary Johnson's election chances. sorry, but for some weird reason i don't regret it.

 

[jmdrake]

so i made four of five posts making a little fun or religion in an obscure thread on the internet. yep, i just destroyed Ron Paul and Gary Johnson's election chances. sorry, but for some weird reason i don't regret it.

And yet some post in some obscure thread about a conspiracy theory is the end of the world? Your hypocrisy is showing.

 

[YumYum]

Look up a guy named Ken Ham. He's one of the best.

I will do, thanks.

 

[low preference guy]

I don't really think that religion could ever win that kind debate in the sense that they cannot have science on their side, unless their opposition was just bad. Ultimately it is about "faith" brain washing and such, so it is beyond the realm of science. Not something you can prove or provide a valid testable Theory from.

fixed if for you.

 

[low preference guy]

And yet some post in some obscure thread about a conspiracy theory is the end of the world? Your hypocrisy is showing.

please stop jmdrake. i'm about to cry. *tear*

 

[ChaosControl]

fixed if for you.

No hope for some people apparently, I'm not going to bother any more since you're unreceptive to being tolerant or respectful of others.

 

[low preference guy]

No hope for some people apparently, I'm not going to bother any more since you're unreceptive to being tolerant or respectful of others.

many of my idols weren't either! you gotta catch up on Mark Twain! he wrote great funny things about religion! (i don't write good stuff, but i just want to point out that great people had the trait you're criticizing and made great use of it)