Gary Johnson on abortion

[jmdrake]

What? Do you think he was lying to Jesus? If so, Jesus would have rebuked him and he would have told Satan that he wasn't the ruler of all the Kingdoms of the Earth. He made a serious offer here to Jesus. This was his first shot at trying to tempt Jesus, and you think that Satan would blow it by telling a bold face lie?

No. That was Satan's third attempt to tempt Jesus. The first Satan told Jesus "If you are the Son of God then turn these stones into bread". Jesus did not say "Satan you're a liar. I am the Son of God so shut up". He responded with scripture. "Man shall not live by bread alone".

The second temptation Satan told Jesus "If you are the Son of God, through yourself off the temple". This time Satan selectively misquoted scripture. "He shall give His angels charge over thee to keep you from dashing your foot against a stone". Satan left out the part "to keep thee in all thy ways". That's important. Ps 91:11 was not meant that to justify attempting suicide just to see if God will stop you. Jesus ignored Satan's misquote and just replied with scripture. "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God."

In this third temptation Jesus merely followed the same pattern. He didn't dispute whether Satan was telling the truth or not but merely met him with scripture. But at the end he forced Satan to "get behind" Him. Satan wouldn't have had to do that if he was really in control of everything. God has given Satan some limited leeway, but it's only enough rope for Satan to be able to hang himself.

Right, and G-d took away Nebuchadnezzar's power for seven years and then gave it back, and He has done the same with Satan: G-d has given Satan the power to rule all the governments of the Earth and He hasn't taken that power back. Satan is still ruling this Earth and all its governments, including the United States according to the Bible.

No. It's according to your misinterpretation of the Bible. You're misquoting the Bible just like Satan misquoted the Bible when he was tempting Jesus. Nowhere in anything you posted are the words "God has given Satan the power to rule all the governments of the Earth".

Again, G-d gives to whomever He chooses to be in power. Ever studied Gog of Magog in the book of Ezekiel where G-d puts hooks in the nose of Gog (Satan) and forces him to do whatever He purposes?

And your proof that Gog is Satan is......? There isn't a single mainstream religious tradition that equates Gog with being Satan himself. Further Eze 38 says that Gog will attack Israel, not that Gog will be "ruler of all the earth".

Whose Kingdom are you for? The Kingdom or government of the United States that the Bible makes clear is currently under the authority of Satan, or G-d's Kingdom which will wipe out all the governments of the Earth and then rule the Earth for a thousand years?

False choice fallacy.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Congratulations... you all have demonstrated why there will never be ANY progress for or against abortion.

Let's take our Red Herring test:

- Emotional? Check.
- Dedicated and vocal opposing forces, split approximately 50/50? Check.
- Utterly meaningless to the Oligarchy (except as a Red Herring)? Check.
- Religious, racial or ethnic undertones? Check.
- Mostly meaningless in fiscal government terms? Check.

Gentlemen (and Ladies), we have a Red Herring...

 

[Fredom101]

Quoting the bible is a circular argument.
Bush said he attacked Iraq because it was in the bible.
If you can use the bible as an excuse to murder thousands of people, it's clear that it can be used as proof for anything.

Can we get past this already??

 

[jmdrake]

Quoting the bible is a circular argument.
Bush said he attacked Iraq because it was in the bible.
If you can use the bible as an excuse to murder thousands of people, it's clear that it can be used as proof for anything.

Can we get past this already??

So? People use the constitution to justify anything. In this case the Bible quotes are used as evidence about what the Bible actually says on a particular subject. Not for whether what is says is right are wrong. Ron Paul quotes the Bible for his "just war theory" too. Does that bother you?