Gary Johnson Gary Johnson Is Seeking the LP Nomination

[Michael Landon]

If Johnson does get the LP nomination and Ron Paul doesn't get the GOP nomination would you vote for a Johnson/Paul LP ticket? And what type of % numbers would we be looking at? Enough to get in the debates?

- ML

 

[bluesc]

If Johnson does get the LP nomination and Ron Paul doesn't get the GOP nomination would you vote for a Johnson/Paul LP ticket? And what type of % numbers would we be looking at? Enough to get in the debates?

- ML

Paul would have to be top of the ticket. He is already polling @18% in a three-way race between him, Romney and Obama. That would get him in the debates. If Johnson was top of the ticket (unacceptable), it would be considerably lower.

Ron will be the GOP nominee anyway.

 

[sailingaway]

Paul would have to be top of the ticket. He is already polling @18% in a three-way race between him, Romney and Obama. That would get him in the debates. If Johnson was top of the ticket (unacceptable), it would be considerably lower.

Ron will be the GOP nominee anyway.

this^^

 

[sailingaway]

The big one people are concerned about is that he said he favors compassionate wars to liberate oppressed peoples.

he also favored NAFTA which undermines US sovereignty. He doesn't seem to have fixed principles, but a sort of sliding scale approach to everything, and doesn't seem anchored to the Constitution in any way.

In short, he doesn't have the things that draw me to Ron, to begin with. And after Ron had helped him get higher profile through Campaign For Liberty events and letting him speak at Rally for the Republic etc., he ran when he had to know Ron was strongly considering running, and his pac put out stuff about 'Gary Johnson, Ron Paul, or a whole lot more?' arguing, of course, that it was the latter, and his supporters trashed Ron.

However, apart from everything that happened in this campaign, I just don't see anything about Gary that is a draw. Principles attract me. I tried to like Gary when I thought Ron wouldn't run, and I finally quit trying to gin up interest.

 

[JohnGalt23g]

at this point, gary would probably have the nerve to run third party against rp should rp get the nomination.

I'm willing to bet that if Ron Paul got the nomination, the LP would, by acclamation, make him their nominee.

 

[jbuttell]

I think Gary is great. Good for him for running in the LP

If Ron gets the GOP nomination and he runs, I'll have lost absolutely all respect for him.

 

[chudrockz]

If Ron Paul gets the Republican nomination and the Libertarian Party does ANYTHING OTHER than bow down, worship, and lend him 100% unfailing support, I'll be exiting the LP, of which I've been a member since 1995.

 

[Johncjackson]

I'm willing to bet that if Ron Paul got the nomination, the LP would, by acclamation, make him their nominee.

No chance. As I've said before, the LP would like to continue to exist. They are looking to buy a building or continue their 5 figure monthly Watergate lease. They aren't going to just throw away their ballot line and the hundreds of thousands of dollars they spend on petitioners to just not use it or give it to a Republican by default. Plus there are enough Libertarian activists who do not like Ron Paul, anyway.

And on another topic mentioned by others:

There is no way Ron Paul would be a VP candidate on a minor party ticket, and there is no way he is endorsing Gary Johnson.

 

[Danke]

Has anyone announced yet?

Bill Still.

 

[jason43]

This is disappointing. Gary would be a shoe-in for US Senate, where he could do some good, and build up a liberty oriented, small government voting record.

^This

 

[xFiFtyOnE]

Have Gary run for the LP. Have the LP vote for Ron running GOP. Problems solved. Everybodys happy.

 

[giovannile07]

Thanks.

RJ Harris: http://rjharris2012.com/index-2.html# I'm a little unclear on what he intends to do with abortion, but everything else looks awesome. The civil liberties amendment in particular looks ground-breaking for an LP candidate. Very cool platform.

Roger Gary: http://rvgary2012.com/?page_id=6 Hm, looks a little thin.

Robert Wright: Hm, couldn't find a site.

Haha Roger Gary is already going after Gary Johnson, on his site he has link for Gary vs. Johnson to compare the candidates, which leads to this.

http://2012.candidate-comparison.org/?compare=Gary&vs=Johnson

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Given their record of picking non libertarians, Gary will fit right in.

 

[MRoCkEd]

The LP is still around?

 

[Occam's Banana]

Compromising is what killed the party.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/lp-turkish-delight.html

Wow.

I gave up on the LP back in the '90s when it came out that Perry Willis (who, IIRC, was Communications Director for the National LP) was working on the sly for Harry Browne's nomination - in direct contravention of party rules. His actions were "justified" by him & his defenders as "pragmatic" - i.e., the ends justify the means, and having an "electable" nominee was more important than being consistent & sticking to principles.

I quit the LP in disgust when I realized that the "Party of Principle" was starting down the road to becoming a bunch of wanna-be politicians & establishment-oriented hacks.

I've had nothing to do with the LP since then; if what Rockwell writes is true, it looks like the end of that road has been reached.

 

[SilentBull]

Wtf. What is Gary's point right now? He could have worked within the republican party to become senator and make a difference. Now this? Why is he doing this? He's just becoming a joke right now.

 

[jkob]

I might vote for Gary if he Ron doesn't win the nomination but if Gary doesn't move out of the way when Ron does win it, there is going to be some serious bad blood. I still don't understand why Gary doesn't want to run for senate. I'm assuming he's willing to serve in DC for 4 to 8 years, why not one 6 year terms as a US senator? I don't think he really even wants to win, he's just stroking ego right now.

 

[kylejack]

I wonder how things would be different if the LP hadn't chased away the Koch brothers.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Just curious - Why all the Gary Johnson hate? What specific positions has he taken that are overtly anti-libertarian? Not disputing, just wondering.

A lot of the hating is primarily related to the abortion issue. It's a little ironic since Gary supported a late term abortion ban when he was Governor, which is more than most politicians are willing to do. Don't mean to derail this into an abortion debate, as that ground has been covered a couple of times already.

 

[RP Supporter]

Wtf. What is Gary's point right now? He could have worked within the republican party to become senator and make a difference. Now this? Why is he doing this? He's just becoming a joke right now.

I think it's insane to0, but Gary's angry that the Republican party went out of the way to exclude him. And a case can be made for that. If Gingrich, Santorum, and CAIN were allowed in the debates, no reason for Johnson or Buddy Rhomer not to be let in. Johnson may assume that the GOP would not let him get anywhere close to the senate nomination, even if he wanted it.

I don't think an LP run is the right answer. He doesn't have the support for it, while Paul might to at least make a credible shot at it. But I hope that if Paul does win the Republican nomination, or runs third party, Johnson will be willing to step aside.