Gary Johnson 2016 over the hillaries(hillary/trump)!!Spread the websites far and wide

[Jamesiv1]

One time I'll let you do that. Once.

wtf? lol

 

[Thor]

No. I've been rather passive on the screwery. I thought the op was rather arrogant in his previous communication when he told those of us who support the primary fundamental principles of Individual Liberty to go away and just let him have a free pass to promote someone whose position is fundamentally contrary to it.

When preferable "activism" is accepted and understood to be actions that promote presidential candidates who hold positions that are patently contrary to the primary fundamental principles of Individual Liberty, yet in the name of Individual Liberty, then I think it's time for a reassessment of why we're here.

So we can sit and bitch and moan for another decade or 2... Johnson is not perfect. Far from it. But it is the best step we have in the right direction to reach the masses. If we can wake the masses to voting for a Libertarian, we can move more towards our principles. But "not pure enough NOW, so I will pout and tell anyone who is promoting him that he is bad" is a grand plan... It will really help advance Liberty. LOL I would like Johnson to be better on some issues too. But I want Johnson to actually win and help make libertarianism a household name and then slowly get more pure libertarians in offices locally and nationally off the coattails.

Hey, what is that light at the end of the tunnel? Quick, block it out...

Purists are defeatist who want to remain obscure. They like being in the corner bitching at the wall.

 

[Natural Citizen]

So we can sit and bitch and moan for another decade or 2... Johnson is not perfect. Far from it. But it is the best step we have in the right direction to reach the masses. If we can wake the masses to voting for a Libertarian, we can move more towards our principles. But "not pure enough NOW, so I will pout and tell anyone who is promoting him that he is bad" is a grand plan... It will really help advance Liberty. LOL I would like Johnson to be better on some issues too. But I want Johnson to actually win and help make libertarianism a household name and then slowly get more pure libertarians in offices locally and nationally off the coattails.

Hey, what is that light at the end of the tunnel? Quick, block it out...

Purists are defeatist who want to remain obscure. They like being in the corner bitching at the wall.

So, then, we should remain content to promote "Libertarianism" as a household name, except absent the primary fundamental principle of Individual Liberty itself - and we should promote the philosophy as a means of activism? And if we don't promote the philosophy, then, we're, as the op mentioned, not real activists? Because that's Johnsons' position. Have you thought his positions through all the way? Because some of them are patently contrary to the fundamental foundation of Individual Liberty. That's a big deal. Mainly, because as you mention, some friends want to encourage Libertarianism as a household name through him. Which means his philosophy. I'm sorry but he just ain't the one. He is patently not the one.

Now. Two things, though. 1 - I'm not a defeatist. I'm a realist. I try to take the time to consider exactly what the other guy is actually stimulating and 2 - sitting in the corner pouting is likely the very last thing I'll ever do. It's dangerous to your cause to assume that I would. I'm likely not the only one either. I was very clear to say that I oppose this specific brand of coercion. That means that I actively oppose it.

 

[Working Poor]

I wish Ron Pauls people would have gotten behind Rand Paul.

I do too but they didn't.

 

[speciallyblend]

No. I've been rather passive on the screwery. I thought the op was rather arrogant in his previous communication when he told those of us who support the primary fundamental principles of Individual Liberty to go away and just let him have a free pass to promote someone whose position is fundamentally contrary to it.

When preferable "activism" is accepted and understood to be actions that promote presidential candidates who hold positions that are patently contrary to the primary fundamental principles of Individual Liberty, yet in the name of Individual Liberty, then I think it's time for a reassessment of why we're here.

i never said go away unless you used baking cakes as a deal breaker but ok , it is obvious you are not here to help, so you made your point.

 

[speciallyblend]

I'll stay out of your thread but I want to respond to this. Gary Jonhnson holds a position that is contrary to the primary fundamental priciple of Individual Liberty. To promote Johnson in the name of Liberty is essentially bastardizing its fundamental principles.

Some people around here may endorse that kind of activism. I don't. And I'll actively oppose it whether it be here or any place else. And I couldn't care less what you or or anyone else thinks about it. You don't get the luxury of promoting someone in the name of Individual Liberty whose positions are contrary to it's primary fundamental principle just because you say you do. You don't. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not any day. The only way you'll continue to do so here without opposition is if people like me get banned for speaking in the name of the primary fundamental principle of Individual Liberty. So, I'm telling you this respectfully. My intention is not to further timulate the antagonistic position that you've taken. I'm simply telling you that you won't get a free pass to pass off a candidate in the name of Individual Liberty whose position is contrary to its most fundamental principles.

we get it, you wont support gary so , if you are not here to help gary beat trump or hillary. you can support whoever start your own thread and spend your money so far you have added nothing but cat meows to this thread. Gary johnson over the hillaries(trump/hillary)

 

[speciallyblend]

I do too but they didn't.

i was a ron paul person and i supported rand even though i opposed things he said,luckily baking cakes wasnt a deal breaker, i donated to rand did what i could.

 

[speciallyblend]

So we can sit and bitch and moan for another decade or 2... Johnson is not perfect. Far from it. But it is the best step we have in the right direction to reach the masses. If we can wake the masses to voting for a Libertarian, we can move more towards our principles. But "not pure enough NOW, so I will pout and tell anyone who is promoting him that he is bad" is a grand plan... It will really help advance Liberty. LOL I would like Johnson to be better on some issues too. But I want Johnson to actually win and help make libertarianism a household name and then slowly get more pure libertarians in offices locally and nationally off the coattails.

Hey, what is that light at the end of the tunnel? Quick, block it out...

Purists are defeatist who want to remain obscure. They like being in the corner bitching at the wall.

exactly, maybe if i throw some tuna over there these cats will go away

 

[Natural Citizen]

i never said go away unless you used baking cakes as a deal breaker but ok

The "baking cakes" issue, as you call it, is directly germane to the primary foundation that provides for the fundamental principles of Individual Liberty itself. It's THE one. The issue is far more critical and relevant than minimizing it to "baking cakes." And with consequences should it not be recognized as such.

 

[Thor]

So, then, we should remain content to promote "Libertarianism" as a household name, except absent the primary fundamental principle of Individual Liberty itself

Yes.

 

[speciallyblend]

once again if you are not here to help gary johnson 2016 win over trump/hillary. then stay way or go away, it is pretty simple. a few have 0 motives to help just whine about gary here. If you are not here to help gary, i can only assume you are here to help trump/hillary! or just not help at all.

 

[speciallyblend]

but it is not a reason to support trump and hillary and oppose gary. just stop go away say your piece somewhere else , you are not here to help gary beat trump or hillary. we get it you oppose gary and will not help over baked cakes, it is a deal breaker , you said your piece move on.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Originally Posted by Natural Citizen

So, then, we should remain content to promote "Libertarianism" as a household name, except absent the primary fundamental principle of Individual Liberty itself

Yes.

If that's what the site supports by way of providing a platform for its function, then, there is no reason I can see to stay here with you people. In fact, it demonstrates every reason why one would provide a service to Individual Liberty by separating from it and actively work against it.

To your credit, though, it does seem that way if omission is of any indication...

It's unfortunate.

 

[speciallyblend]

Wow. You guys are unbelievable. The framers would have hung yuns.

you are troll obviously you just cannot stfu, you have to say something but by your level fuck rand paul to he is not perfect. you have some dream candidate go for it support them on another thread.

 

[speciallyblend]

If that's what the site supports, then, there is no reason see to stay here with you people. In fact, it demonstrates every reason why one would do well to separate and actively work against it.

you are not here to help gary, you are here to whine and help trump/hillary. please leave asking nicely you are not helping you know this. you said your piece repeatly over and over and over like a stray cat ,move along

 

[Natural Citizen]

you are troll obviously you just cannot stfu, you have to say something but by your level $#@! rand paul to he is not perfect. you have some dream candidate go for it support them on another thread.

No, I don't care about candidates. I care about the fundamental principles of Individual Liberty. I care about the primary foundation in which those fundamental principles are established. In fact, the only interest that I have with regard to Johnson is that he is being promoted as a candidate for Liberty. This is coercion of the highest magnitude. Again, his position is patently contrary to the primary foundation for the fundamental principles of Individual Liberty itself.

And there is no such thing as a troll. Consider taking your opposition more seriously. Because your opposition takes you seriously.

 

[Thor]

No, I don't care about candidates.

So get out of the Gary Johnson thread.

 

[Natural Citizen]

So get out of the Gary Johnson thread.

And provide a free pass for you people to bastardize the very foundation for the principles of Individual Liberty itself by promoting a cultural Marxist like Johnson as its difinitive entity in the household? His position is patently contrary to them. Nope. Not today. It wouldn't be very patriotic of me to just let you guys do that. The only way you guys won't have the inconvenience of having the truth mentioned about what you're stimulating here is if a mod steps in to run interference for what you're promoting..

 

[Thor]

And provide a free pass for you people to bastardize the very foundation for the principles of Individual Liberty itself by promoting a cultural Marxist like Johnson as its difinitive entity in the household? His position os patently contrary to them. Nope. Not today. It wouldn't be very patriotic of me to just let you guys do that. The only way you guys won't have the inconvenience of having the truth mentioned about what you're stimulating here is if a mod steps in to run interference for what you're promoting.

LOL. I do not want to help Liberty advance unless it is PURE liberty. STFU

 

[Natural Citizen]

LOL. I do not want to help Liberty advance unless it is PURE liberty. STFU

Pure? To be clear, what/who is being promoted here in the name of activism is a candidate whose position is patently contrary to the primary foundation for the principles of Individual Liberty itself. We're not talking about pure here. We're talking about the primary fundamentals. We're talking about the fundamental principles of Individual Liberty here. The nuts and bolts. Promoting a philosophy that is patently contrary to them is nothing to LOL about. It really isn't. I think it's rather disturbing that you disregard the principles to the extent that you LOL about them. I mean, that's a major naw naw.