Gallup: Paul up to 14%!

14% tipping point

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I don't think it is that simple, sometimes the people who originally supported an idea jump ship on it when they sense it has become "too popular", I notice this all the time with fans of TV shows and rock bands, I knew a lot of people who stopped liking Metallica when they became "too popular", they weren't viewed as "cool" anymore.

Metallica became "too popular" because the band changed its sound, a sound that fans of its previous output may have legitimately not cared for.
 
Wead said 50% of Florida Republican Hispanics support Ron Paul. Shouldn't that be giving Ron better numbers down there?
 
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Funny I thought our ceiling was at 11%. I guess it's now 14%....but surely no higher!
 
What I've always heard is that for an idea to hit critical mass and become "common knowledge" it takes 10-15%. I think another part to this equation is that the media/establishment/TPTB can exert its pressure on the idea in an attempt to keep it from spreading, which could make it take a higher percentage before hitting critical mass, but their efforts will also result in their own destruction.

Think of it like an idea explosion. In open air it will explode and spread faster, but won't have as much of an impact. Enclose it without relieving pressure (like the media/establishment/TPTB are doing) and it becomes a truth bomb, and they don't even realize that they are the shell of the bomb. The more they try to hold back the idea, the greater the pressure becomes, and the bigger the explosion will be when it hits critical mass.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that this WILL hit critical mass, and the more they try to hold it back, the greater their own destruction. All we have to do is keep building pressure by spreading ideas and gaining support, and the result is inevitable.
 
I'm sure he was at 16% the day after the New Hampshire primary but losing only 2 points nationally after a last place finish in South Carolina is still pretty impressive.
 
Wead said 50% of Florida Republican Hispanics support Ron Paul. Shouldn't that be giving Ron better numbers down there?

I'm sure there are a lot of Hispanics in Fl, but 50% of the Republican Hispanics might not translate into a large number. Not sure, would be interesting to know how many that number equals and what % of them vote.
 
why do we get so happy about the fact that we are losing by huge margins???

Reality check fellas. Unless Ron goes 3rd party....we're done in the GOP...especially given the fact that the campaign lacks any strategic imagination whatsoever.

We cannot win a GOP primary race full of so many neo-cons, Limbaugh lovers, FOX addicts and Evangelical Israel Firsters. The sooner we realize that, the sooner we can prepare our next move.
 
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why do we get so happy about the fact that we are losing by huge margins???

Reality check fellas. Unless Ron goes 3rd party....we're done in the GOP...especially given the fact that the campaign lacks any strategic imagination whatsoever.

We cannot win a GOP primary race full of so many neo-cons, Limbaugh lovers, FOX addicts and Evangelical Israel Firsters. The sooner we realize that, the sooner we can prepare our next move.

That kind of truth is generally shunned here. I think the reality is that as soon as neocon media became THE media for Republicans it made anything non neocon a thing of the past.
 
Someone enlighten me about this "tipping point".

It looks like 2 other candidates are well beyond the tipping point. Is this tipping point only applies to Ron Paul? That doesn't really make sense.
 
Someone enlighten me about this "tipping point".

It looks like 2 other candidates are well beyond the tipping point. Is this tipping point only applies to Ron Paul? That doesn't really make sense.

Both Cain and Gingrich slowly gained to around 12-14% until they really surged hard to the 20s. But that was with the media pumping them. Our surge will always be very slow since it's pure grassroots.
 
Both Cain and Gingrich slowly gained to around 12-14% until they really surged hard to the 20s. But that was with the media pumping them. Our surge will always be very slow since it's pure grassroots.

For Gingrich the tipping point was 18-percent. When he hit that level, he shot up into the low 30's. For Cain it was 9-percent.

The idea that we will reach a tipping point, and that it is 15-percent is not based on real math or science. It's just a guess. I personally don't believe it and I'm siding with Havax on this one and saying that our surge will always be slow and methodical.
 
Nice, but why the hell does Florida love Gingrich so much? Are people that stupid?

You want to know the truth? People going to Gingrich to Florida are the people that want to vote for someone who is not Romney and who they perceive as having the best chance to go up against Obama.

Perception is the key, and unfortunately for us, the people in Florida who vote Gingrich have been convinced that Gingrich is that guy.

Several reasons.

He was speaker of the house
He is a recognizable political figure
He claims to have experience in balancing budgets under a bipartisan Federal Government
He is "strong" on military bravado
He has "stood up" against the media


Remember, these are things that make him a good anti-Romney choice in the minds of the people of Florida. Just as an example. I talked to a guy, a construction worker, he was totally anti-Romney, but his concern seemed to mostly be anti-Democrat aka need to get Obama out no matter who the nominee is. He brought up LOTS of Ron Paul's philosophies on his own, so there is no doubt that the message is filtering down to mainstream household discussions.

I mentioned that Ron Paul is my man, and he was like hell yeah and his eyes lit up that he found another Ron Paul supporter. Thing is though, he told me going away that if Ron Paul can't win, then Gingrich was looking good, and that there is no way that he would ever consider Romney.
 
Someone enlighten me about this "tipping point".

It looks like 2 other candidates are well beyond the tipping point. Is this tipping point only applies to Ron Paul? That doesn't really make sense.

Yes tipping point only applies to Ron Paul. Because Ron Paul is new "idea". Others are already accepted by mainstream. Watch the video for detailed how and why...

 
For Gingrich the tipping point was 18-percent. When he hit that level, he shot up into the low 30's. For Cain it was 9-percent.

The idea that we will reach a tipping point, and that it is 15-percent is not based on real math or science. It's just a guess. I personally don't believe it and I'm siding with Havax on this one and saying that our surge will always be slow and methodical.

We won't have a surge until we start winning primaries.
 
We won't have a surge until we start winning primaries.

We won't have a surge until Ron Paul's ideas are mainstream and accepted as common sense. That's what this tipping point/critical mass is about. This movement isn't (just) about getting Ron Paul as President, it's not even really about Ron Paul... it's just that Ron Paul is the best tool at the moment for spreading the idea of Liberty. There's a lot bigger thing going on here than simply a political campaign.
 
We won't have a surge until Ron Paul's ideas are mainstream and accepted as common sense. That's what this tipping point/critical mass is about. This movement isn't (just) about getting Ron Paul as President, it's not even really about Ron Paul... it's just that Ron Paul is the best tool at the moment for spreading the idea of Liberty. There's a lot bigger thing going on here than simply a political campaign.

What you're referring to here corresponds to the 'stickiness' principle in Malcolm Gladwell's theory of the tipping point. As one wiki site defines it: "Another crucial factor that plays a key role in determining whether a trend will attain exponential popularity is what Gladwell terms “the stickiness factor.” This refers to a unique quality that compels the phenomenon to “stick” in the minds of the public and influence their future behavior."

Has Paul's candidacy attained a level of stickiness necessary to explode his numbers? This may be a major key as to why the media keeps trying to NOT mention him as much as possible, even at this late stage. They've been trying to stall out his momentum until it's too late to keep Romney from winning. Time will tell whether it's successful, but it seems quite likely the MSM knows how relevant the TP is, and is working hard to keep Paul from reaching it.
 
Back to 14 today. I know it's just statistical noise, but still.

More interesting is Gingrich dropped 4 points from yesterday, in a 5 day rolling average that's really bad news for him.

Gringrich 28
Romney 26
Santorum 15
Paul 14
 
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