Full Page Ad in the Chicago Tribune about Obama's Birth Certificate

[Danke]

Anybody can put a birth announcement in the paper. You don't need to prove it

Yes I know. But isn't it the least bit odd if they were half way around the world in a third world village giving birth, that they would take out an ad in Hawaii, listing a Hawaiian address?

 

[libertarian4321]

Anybody can put a birth announcement in the paper. You don't need to prove it

Yeah, his parents were trying to protect his viability for the Presidency in a time when black folks couldn't even eat in the same restaurants as white people.

lol.

 

[libertarian4321]

Yes I know. But isn't it the least bit odd if they were half way around the world in a third world village giving birth, that they would take out an ad in Hawaii, listing a Hawaiian address?

Exactly- I find it a bit hard to believe that Obama's parents would have rushed home, put an ad in the paper, and pretended the birth was in the USA if he wasn't.

Its a bit unlikely that they were anticipating his Presidential ambitions, given that in 1961, blacks were still getting the "fire hose and dogs" treatment.

 

[libertarian4321]

On a serious note, I wish these knuckleheads at "we the people" had created a separate website for this article.

Now, people who read the newspaper ad will come to the site, which is covered with pro Ron Paul stuff, and will immediately associate Ron Paul, his followers, and the CFL with this "birth certificate" crap.

We are already being dismissed as fringe nuts, this will just reinforce that thought in the minds of most people.

Not smart for us to be associated with this stuff- leave it to the right wing nut sites.

 

[sidster]

Why so much attention on his birth certificate?? He very well could
have been born in Hawaii.

As I mentioned earlier, there is a much tighter case against his
qualification for the office of President based on his University
records (which he won't release).

 

[Ex Post Facto]

I think it's a valid legal question and should easily be solved by producing the document in full. The question is IF THIS IS TRUE what should be done about it. Obama can't be held responsible. Certainly, nobody can even remember the day they were born let alone where that was located. Produce the document, it's a specific requirement of the constitution and the question is floating out in the world, it can be solved with a phone call.

About Ron Paul people being associated with this...they aren't really. This is a constitutional question that SCOTUS probably needs to address after December 15th. SCOTUS should immediately take up this issue to verify Obama's birth certificate. They are a check and balance on this issue. The question may come then who wins if Obama is disqualified? Does McCain assume office or does Bush get another term? Or maybe Biden becomes President. Oh doesn't that work out well for the NWO.

 

[Danke]

On a serious note, I wish these knuckleheads at "we the people" had created a separate website for this article.

Now, people who read the newspaper ad will come to the site, which is covered with pro Ron Paul stuff, and will immediately associate Ron Paul, his followers, and the CFL with this "birth certificate" crap.

We are already being dismissed as fringe nuts, this will just reinforce that thought in the minds of most people.

Not smart for us to be associated with this stuff- leave it to the right wing nut sites.

I was a automatic monthly donor to WTP. I just canceled. They were a great liberty organization, but spending money on this (my money) I feel it can't support them any longer.

 

[libertarian4321]

I was a automatic monthly donor to WTP. I just canceled. They were a great liberty organization, but spending money on this (my money) I feel it can't support them any longer.

It doesn't make sense to waste money on this stuff- even if you for some reason believe there is something to the story.

There are plenty of right wing neocon nuts going on and on about it- let them blow their money tilting at windmills. We should spend our money more intelligently.

 

[BeFranklin]

I don't doubt that the SCOUTS would ignore the case.

Here is what I think though. I wouldn't be surprised that Obama
is in fact born in Hawaii. I think after all this BS, if he is forced to
release his Certificate of Live Birth, it'll show a birth place of HI.

I think if it was that easy to bump him as not qualified the Clintons
would've done it already. I'll grant you that the GOP is too dumb
to have looked into this, but the Clintons wouldn't have missed it.

What I do believe might be the real smoking gun, is his Columbia
Univ school records, which, AFAIK, he won't release either! It
seems that he attended under his stepfather's last name (Barry
Soetoro), and as a foreign student.

If this is true, then it shows as an adult Obama renounced his
US citizenship, which disqualifies him for office of Presidency
of the United States.

I'm a bit disappointed WTP aren't asking for Obama's school
records at the same time. But maybe, one step at a time.

A classic tactic from the 90s during the Clinton administration seems to have been to steer discussion into certain false alleys to discredit the real problems right under everyones nose. Then Obama releases his real birth place, and it discredits the actual argument. To do this, you need agents on the other side "really working for you" and getting it wrong to steer the conversation. Most people never do any research themselves, and fall for this easily. All it takes is money. The only thing people have going for themselves is time, but they always follow the money powers. Lazy.

Obama isn't a citizen because he was a natural born British citizen at birth. That he was a natural born British citizen at birth isn't even secret, its right out in the open. You can't be a natural born citizen of two countries at once. Its the whole meaning of the word.

The rest of this is a distraction to ignore whats right out there.

 

[FindLiberty]

A classic tactic from the 90s during the Clinton administration seems to have been to steer discussion into certain false alleys to discredit the real problems right under everyones nose. Then Obama releases his real birth place, and it discredits the actual argument. To do this, you need agents on the other side "really working for you" and getting it wrong to steer the conversation. Most people never do any research themselves, and fall for this easily. All it takes is money. The only thing people have going for themselves is time, but they always follow the money powers. Lazy.

Obama isn't a citizen because he was a natural born British citizen at birth. That he was a natural born British citizen at birth isn't even secret, its right out in the open. You can't be a natural born citizen of two countries at once. Its the whole meaning of the word.

The rest of this is a distraction to ignore whats right out there.

Ah yes, I remember Monica -vs- Chinagate; it's a SnowJob not a BJ! Nothing to see here. Move along citizen...

Maybe this ad is also intended to soften Chicago up for the Electoral College vote on 12-15-08 that could elect Ron Paul to become our next POTUS.

 

[BeFranklin]

Ah yes, I remember Monica -vs- Chinagate; it's a SnowJob not a BJ! Nothing to see here. Move along citizen...

Maybe this ad is also intended to soften Chicago up for the Electoral College vote on 12-15-08 that could elect Ron Paul to become our next POTUS.

Shame of it is, "natural born citizen" is just the Americanized version of "natural born subject" from English law, and the legal principles from both countries come from the exact same roots. And Obama was a British citizen at birth, and he doesn't dispute it.

Maybe if Obama was born in *any* other country, you might be able to try to argue, but to be a natural born citizen under British law because of those legal principles, well established and in Blackstone , means for the very same reason you aren't a natural born citizen here, because America was using the same legal definitions when the constitution was adopted. Obama isn't a natural born American citizen, he is a natural born British citizen.

 

[Elle]

This is now on the front page of Google News. I am surprised it made it to Google News.

 

[sidster]

Whaa

A classic tactic from the 90s during the Clinton administration seems to have been to steer discussion into certain false alleys to discredit the real problems right under everyones nose. Then Obama releases his real birth place, and it discredits the actual argument. To do this, you need agents on the other side "really working for you" and getting it wrong to steer the conversation. Most people never do any research themselves, and fall for this easily. All it takes is money. The only thing people have going for themselves is time, but they always follow the money powers. Lazy.

Obama isn't a citizen because he was a natural born British citizen at birth. That he was a natural born British citizen at birth isn't even secret, its right out in the open. You can't be a natural born citizen of two countries at once. Its the whole meaning of the word.

The rest of this is a distraction to ignore whats right out there.

You confused me... not sure I followed you point and I read your
reply two times.

Shame of it is, "natural born citizen" is just the Americanized version of "natural born subject" from English law, and the legal principles from both countries come from the exact same roots. And Obama was a British citizen at birth, and he doesn't dispute it.

Maybe if Obama was born in *any* other country, you might be able to try to argue, but to be a natural born citizen under British law because of those legal principles, well established and in Blackstone , means for the very same reason you aren't a natural born citizen here, because America was using the same legal definitions when the constitution was adopted. Obama isn't a natural born American citizen, he is a natural born British citizen.

From what I've read and heard, the only reason it is claimed
that he is a British subject is if he was born in Kenya. Is this
your stance as well?

I'm willing to bet that Obama was actually born in Hawaii.

 

[BeFranklin]

You confused me... not sure I followed you point and I read your
reply two times.




From what I've read and heard, the only reason it is claimed
that he is a British subject is if he was born in Kenya. Is this
your stance as well?

No, Obama claimed British citizenship at birth because his father is British. Also, its not being claimed "he should be", its a documented fact that he had British citizenship at birth. He may also have been born in Kenya, but that would just give two reasons for his British citizenship, not one.

Under the definition of natural born from common law (called natural born subject over there, and natural born citizen here because they had kings, and we were a republic), you are natural born if you are citizen at birth of that country and subject to its laws alone; which occurs if you are born in the country, *or* if your father is a citizen.

Natural born is a more inclusive definition of citizenship then the 14th amendment, and can involve both where you are born and parentage. If you are born outside the country and/or there is a dispute over which citizenship the child should have, the citizenship of the father comes to the forefront.

In other words, Obama is a British citizen by using the natural born interpretation over in that country, and he was considered a British citizen because his father was. That is the same natural born principle written in the US constitution, and by the same virtue, Obama is not a natural born citizen here because his father wasn't an America.

Its the same common law principle in both places, and that principle doesn't admit to a citizen being natural born in two different countries because there is no claim to being subject to one of them. Obama was a natural born citizen of Britian. He may also have been *a* citizen here, but he wasn't a natural born citizen. Simply being a citizen does not meet the presidential requirements.

Its Obama's British citizenship at birth that destroys his eligibility. His birth certificate doesn't matter, just that that was his citizenship which is already documented.

 

[BeFranklin]

You confused me... not sure I followed you point and I read your
reply two times.


From what I've read and heard, the only reason it is claimed
that he is a British subject is if he was born in Kenya. Is this
your stance as well?

Or to try to make it really simple without explanation.

Obama was a citizen of Britain because of their natural born laws. (Not claiming it should be so, its a documented fact Obama was a British citizen at birth). Those British natural born laws are rooted in the same laws we had when the Constitution was written, and they don't allow being natural born in two countries. Obama being a natural born british citizen proves he isn't an American one.

 

[BeFranklin]

FYI


Washington Times

The Supreme Court plans to decide Friday whether to hear a case that could determine whether President-elect Barack Obama ever becomes the nation's full-fledged president.

The Supreme Court judges' conference today will consider the lawsuit filed by New Jersey attorney Leo Donofrio. He contends Mr. Obama is not a "natural born citizen," as the U.S. Constitution requires.

Mr. Donofrio concedes Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii. He argues, however, that Mr. Obama was a British citizen due to his father's British citizenship.

The judges' conference today resulted from more than a dozen lawsuits challenging Mr. Obama's right to be president based on his citizenship at birth.

Mr. Donofrio originally sued New Jersey Secretary of State Nina Mitchell Wells seeking a court order to stop the Nov. 4 presidential election. That was denied.

At least four of the Supreme Court's nine judges must approve before the case is heard. It would mark the first time in American history the questionable citizenship of a winning presidential candidate would go before the Supreme Court.

 

[LiveToWin]

What time is the conference suppose to be? I wonder if it will be on any MSM channels. If it gets the 4-9, this will get quite intresting.

 

[pauletteNV]

Scotus

to meet in private, in chambers...no TV to the best of my knowledge. Wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall? (I mean just this once )

 

[pauletteNV]

Some sources

Yes I know. But isn't it the least bit odd if they were half way around the world in a third world village giving birth, that they would take out an ad in Hawaii, listing a Hawaiian address?

report that the address given was Obama's grandparents...easily done and his mother was very interested in having US citizenship for her children.

 

[LiveToWin]

to meet in private, in chambers...no TV to the best of my knowledge. Wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall? (I mean just this once )

I see, but is the time that this will be taking place public? Im sure if it gets 4 of 9 it will be all over the news.